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Written by: on Monday, January 1st, 2018

 

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Welcome to the official forum on high school football for the 2018 season.

During the off-season let’s talk about players, recruiting news, teams and everything about high school football.

During the season each week let’s talk about match-ups and how teams did. Let us know what player(s) stood out each week.

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  1. wpialcoach says:

    Class 6A – Everyone will be chasing Pine-Richland, North Allegheny will be a test this Friday and maybe a preview of the Championship.

    Class 5A – Gateway and Penn Hills, everyone else will be in the shadows.

    Class 4A – South Fayette and Thomas Jefferson…agan.

    Class 3A – Quips

    Class 2A – Shady Side Academy – just too explosive, maybe Steel Valley or Burgettstown if they slow down the game. .

    Class 1A – Jeanette or Claiton, OLSH will make some noise but their lack f speed will hurt them.

  2. D10 Insider (big schools) says:

    I read on the PIAA website that the 4A District 8/10 winner will play the District 6/9 winner in the first round of the PIAA playoffs. Does anyone know anything about the schools in that area? I see clearfield is undefeated and usually are, how is the competition down that way? I know Prep has played Dubois and Bradford and haven’t had much trouble with them but Clearfield has been ranked consistently in the top 10/15 of 4A, wondering what kind of team they got down that way.

    Also, Erie ended up not getting mercy ruled by Prep last week. CP didn’t have their starting QB but Erie was much more talented than I expected. I don’t know how McDowel beat them earlier. Hats off to the Royals, maybe some competition in Erie for the Prep finally!

  3. new2pa says:

    The PR-SV game was excellent. P-R absolutely pounded SV defense the entire game. This is not a P-R team of last year. Ground and pound. Probably ran the ball 60 times and tried 15 passes. Their OL is very very good. There were bodies flying everywhere. The didn’t do much through the air. Looked like they had guys open by Spencer pulled it down and ran a lot. Meckler is a threat. He won’t be caught if he’s in the open field.

    The defense was also very good. Gave up a few big plays but stoned SV in redzone at least once.

    Should be a battle next week vs. NA. I think SV may be the second best team in 6A at this point.

  4. The artist formerly known as phillyboy says:

    Whoa, Pine Richland and North Allegheny had some tough games last night. It’s good that Seneca Valley is apparently surging as a program. It’s good to have several solid programs. Peters Township is nobody’s joke, they could give a higher seed a scare in the tournament. Meanwhile Pittsburgh Central Catholic, the dejected bunch felt some kind of way, came out swinging. Out of necessity they’re embracing the dangerous underdog role. NA is definitely undefeated, they’ve had to grind out a few games which shows mettle, we’ll see if they can peak at the right time.

  5. Jack1234 says:

    It’s also worth adding that CM played NA very close as well and was leading at points in the game until NA was able to pull away. CM is likely gonna need some big throws from their QB as well, which I didn’t think he was all too impressive against pr

  6. Jack1234 says:

    @jeff I saw canon Mac play pr and PR didn’t handle them as much as the score may seem. Not sure if it was an off night for pr’s defense or what but they ran all over PR. Their o line didn’t look like anything special but they were getting 5-6 yards a pop with #13 josh O’hare. Pr offense was pretty stagnant alot of the game as well. It was scoreless for a while in the first half and they threatened in the red zone twice until bad playcalls on 4th down ended those drives. #13 was injured and that’s when PR was able to get stops and pull away but from what I remeber he had 14 carries for about 90 yards in just the first half. He was the second leading rusher in the wpial at that point as well. If hes healthy he makes them a tough team to play, they aren’t super athletic or that talented but I thought they played well as a team. Last week they converted a receiver to rb who went off on norwin for like 300 yards so I’m not sure if #13 is healthy or not. If #13 is back they now likely have a nice 1-2 punch in the backfield. I most certainly see them keeping it close, but I think even though pcc has a bad offense and they’re undiscplined no other team can handle their front 7 for 4 quarters besides NA and PR. The competition is so down in the wpial against most teams they’d only need to score 14-17 because no team can match their defense especially their D line. Something interesting for PCC is that they started using Gus sunseri, one of their starting LBs, as a wildcat type QB on offense and they scored their most points of the season (even though it was against awful butler). I definitely see him playing more offense giving them a boost on offense, not necessarily with the passing game but as an added big play threat out of the backfield.

  7. Jeff H. says:

    Is it just me or does anyone else think Canon McMillan has a chance to make things interesting tomorrow night against PCC, not saying they will beat them, but make it a lot closer than most people expect. One of the more surprising results in the WPIAL so far this year was their win over Peters Twp. a few weeks ago, Peters is a solid team with a pretty good defense and they put up 35 on them, so that tells me they have some talent. PR handled them 2 weeks ago, do any of the PR guys who saw that game think the Big Macs have a chance to keep it close or even pull off a big upset?

    These teams will likely play again in 2 weeks in the first round of the playoffs, so the coaches might not roll out the entire playbook tomorrow, I think Canon Mac has more incentive for this game than PCC and have a hunch this game will be a lot more competitive than anyone would have predicted a month ago.

  8. New2PA says:

    @Jeff P-R’s offense has played sporadic in the past several games. Come out very hot then taper off. Would like to see them play a complete game. From everything I’ve read, it does seem like SJP is the cream of the crop. But like you said, if they can score against a very good SV defense, they should be the prohibitive favorites to win 6A all else being equal.

  9. D10 Insider (Big Schools) says:

    Sharon has athletes but I don’t want to say they have them “like” the Quips because they are on another level and GC handled them pretty good. Tough, we’ll coached kids, always capable of the upset. They knocked off CP in 2011 so they have slayed the giant before.

    IMO they opted out because they knew even if they did win districts they would be outmatched in PIAA play, probably taking a worse beat down then if they played CP. CP is a classy program and do things the right way if they get up big. GM is a proud program, but Wells hates CP and would complain to anyone who’d listen about how they cheat. Even though he went to a Catholic HS.

  10. Jeff H. says:

    @New2PA – I will be surprised if PR puts up 35-42 on SV’s defense, if they do they will clearly be the favorite to win the WPIAL title, and perhaps give SJP a more competitive game than I expect, From everything I’ve heard and read from the Philly guys SJP is loaded this year and better than last year and their sophomore QB is a stud, not taking anything away from PR who is very good, I just think SJP has too much talent this year, and unfortunately for the rest of the state a lot of the talent is in their sophomore and junior classes.

    @D10 Insider – was wondering if any of the D10 guys thought Grove City had a shot against Aliquippa. They were over-matched in 5A when they took on West Allegheny a few years ago, when they were a small 4A trying to compete with the big boys, but nice to see them competing again against schools their size. Their big win against traditional power Sharon earlier in the season got my attention, I think they might be able to hang with Aliquippa for a little while but eventually the talent and overall team speed will wear Grove City down.

    Agree that Wilmington and Farrell might make deep runs, both have a decent chance of getting to Hershey, their games against the WPIAL winners should be very competitive.

  11. Mike F says:

    D10 insider- thanks for the info. Why are there so many teams in D10 not competing in the playoffs? I get your frustration with 5A but i always viewed General McLain as having a proud tradition even if they are just trying to escape ECP by playing 5A. What is going on up there. I do admit Wilsmington and especially Farrel are tops dogs in that area. D3 sounds like a fun race up there to follow.

  12. D10 Insider (Big Schools) says:

    I don’t know much about the other districts but I know D10 pretty well:

    6A Championship
    McDowell vs Erie

    McDowell has taken two beat downs in a row and could be on the ropes heading into the D10 final. They do play Toronto Prep this week to get back on track and Erie has to play the Ramblers tonight for the region championship. McDowell beat Erie in the regular season last year and then lost in the final. I see the same thing happening here.

    Erie 40
    McDowell 35

    5A
    General McLane vs Oil City

    This class is a joke. None of these teams are even 5A schools and are just playing for the D10 title. Meadville, Warren, and Franklin all moved up a class to avoid playing Prep in the title game but aren’t even going to try and take it from GM or OC? Bunch of cowards. Enjoy the D10 title because they are going to get pounded the next week.

    GM 3
    OC 0

    4A
    Prep vs Ft. LeBoeuf

    The last 3 years D10 opponents have been running away from Prep to punish them for being a private school. The last 3 years they were in the state championship winning 2 of them. I don’t think that worked out for D10. Props to FLB, for being brave enough to try and dethrone the champs. They have a tough group of seniors that will compete, but will ultimately fall short against CP. CP could make another run for Hershey, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they get knocked off by maybe TJ if they win WPIAL or McDevitt if they win D3. I don’t see anyone else beating them before chocolate town.

    I don’t pay too much attention to the smaller schools but I’ll throw what I know out there:

    3A
    Mercyhurst vs Grove City

    GC is smashing teams and obliterated Sharon who knocked out MPS in the final last year. I think this class is a 3 man race, but will pick Grove City to beat Mercyhurst after and if MPS gets by Sharon. MPS is a good team, but lack competition during the regular season that has consistently hurt them in the playoffs. Mind boggling that they don’t play better non region games, but they are another team just playing for districts and not for states.

    2A
    This is Wilmingtons to lose. I’d love to see the Wildcats from Northwestern make some noise in the playoffs but I think they are still a few years away from winning the district.

    1A
    Farrell and everyone else.

    I think Erie/McDowell winner, GM/OC winner and CP/FLB winner all beat the Pittsburgh City league champions the following week but only Prep will advance after that. It’ll be basketball season for the rest.

    Grove City has a slight chance against the WPIAL champ, would be nice to see them compete but I think they will lose by 2 scores. If MPS were to win, I think the score mercy rule will come into play, the Quips will be tough.

    Wilmington and Farrell could make a run.

  13. Mikefln says:

    Billy I read your writeup on Playoffs, that’s for the info. It is nice to hear about districts I’m not as familiar with. Why so many D10 schools opting out of play offs for?

  14. Mike F says:

    Jeff H that’s for your thoughts, it’s nice to get some football talk going. I agree with most you say. 5A is deep and interesting but I still vote 2A as the deepest and most interesting up until the state title game. SCA is that good.

    New2PA that is interesting what you heard about PCC. That is something to keep an eye on, not just this season but off season too.

  15. New2PA says:

    @Jeff H

    You mentioned PCC Team Chemistry. From everything I have heard out here in Pine, its an offense vs. defense mentality. The DC is pretty motivational from what I’ve head (Chain Gang), but also is angling for the head coaching job. He’s the guy doing interviews and such.

    I wnat to see how P-R plays against SV. If they can come out and score 35-42, I’ll have a good feeling heading into NA week and the playoffs. I too think they most likely scenario is what you mention about PR getting to SJP then losing, but PCC and NA are always dangerous. And if SV can find any offense….

  16. Jeff H. says:

    @Mike F – my predictions/thoughts on WPIAL/state championship contenders

    6A – as previously stated expect final to be PR vs. NA, I like PR, will almost certainly play State College again in quarterfinals, expect a close game but a PR win, then comes SJP and unfortunately that will be the end of PR’s season, think SJP will win by 3 scores, in fact I could see the final score being reversed from last year, 42-21 for SJP, hope I’m wrong but don’t think I will be.

    In the east Coatesville is a big favorite and would be very surprised if they don’t get to Hershey, if they face SJP expect lots of points like last years shootout in the eastern final, SJP is clearly the favorite but give Coatesville a puncher’s chance of outscoring them, could be a great game.

    5A – imo most balanced and deepest classification in WPIAL, Gateway and Penn Hills are obviously the favorites, but lots of solid teams like McKeesport, PT, WA, Bethel, Peters, and Mars, should be some very good quarterfinal and semi-final games, I’ll pick Gateway to repeat.

    On a statewide level Archbishop Wood is still the team to beat, although they are not nearly as good as the last few years, they are vulnerable if they don’t get their starting QB back for the playoffs, look for a great game in the Western finals between the WPIAL winner and Wood, in the east I like Manheim Central out of D3, think they are better than any of the D1 teams.

    4A – TJ huge favorite to win their 4th straight title, South Fayette might give them a decent game in the final but expect TJ to win, and then lose for the 4th year in a row to ECP, although expect the game to be closer than last few years, the D3 winner of Bishop McDevitt or Berks Catholic will give ECP a run for their money in the semi-finals. Favorite to win 4A is Imhotep, there’s a reason they’ve been ranked #1 in most state polls all year

    3A – would be a huge upset if Aliquippa does not win 3A, expect them to face either Conwell Egan from the PCL or Middletown from D3 in the final, could be 3rd yr in a row Middletown faces a team from Beaver County in Hershey.

    2A – another very deep classification in the WPIAL, I like either Shady Side or Charleroi, but don’t count out Wash High, they’ve been flying under the radar since getting beaten up by Charleroi early in the season. All of the 2A teams are playing for 2nd place on the state level as I think Southern Columbia is the biggest favorite in any classification to win a state title.

    1A – have Jeanette and Clairton as co-favorites, OLSH is also very good, all the top 1A teams are in the West this year, the Farrell vs. WPIAL winner will be a big favorite to win in Hershey.

  17. Jef H. says:

    @Mike F – I would be surprised if PCC beats either PR or NA in the semi-finals, offense is way too predictable, and think their defense is somewhat overrated, I’ve seen both teams now and imo SV defense is better than PCC, no question PCC has some great players but I’m just not impressed with what I’ve seen from them so far this year, I think there’s a problem with team chemistry. With that being said I do think PCC would have a better chance of beating NA than PR, so if PCC plays NA in the semi-finals they could pull the upset, but still think NA wins that game at home. I also think NA would prefer to play PCC than SV again.

  18. Mike F says:

    Jeff H,

    SV/PR should be a good one, wish I could go. It is senior is Senior Night at USC and my niece is a senior cheerleader so family first.

    I do agree that the match up is NA vs PR but if PCC quits its impression of Pitt of doing the same thing over and over again throws a change up and a curve on offense, I could see them pulling an upset because there is a ton of talent on that team. I am a big believe that you can run an old school offense over the spread and be successful, but you still need to be unpredictable and keep them guessing.

  19. Jeff H. says:

    @New2PA & Mife F. – I saw Seneca Valley last week and their defense is as good as advertised, I think both their offensive and defensive lines will match up pretty favorably with PR. Intriguing matchup between the highest scoring offense and stingiest defense in 6A, I don’t see PR putting up a lot of points on that defense, but I also don’t see SV offense doing a whole lot against PR’s defense, think the final score will be something like 21-10 or 21-14 in favor of PR. If SV wants to stay in this game they can’t commit all the stupid penalties like they did last week, I don’t know the final total but probably had 100+ penalty yards, case in point first and goal at the 3 followed by illegal procedure, illegal shift and then holding and all of a sudden it’s first and goat at the 23 yd line, they did manage a field goal on that drive but they can’t make mistakes like that if they hope to have any chance of upsetting PR.

    If any team is going to crash the anticipated NA vs. PR championship game it will be SV, don’t think PCC and obviously the other 2 qualifiers (likely Mt. Lebo and Canon Mac) will beat either NA or PR.

  20. Jeff H. says:

    @ Mike F – I have a lot of respect for Bob Palko but this was a really bad idea and wonder who actually came up with it, that game in 2014 was in week 7 and not week 9, but the circumstances are very similar.

  21. me888 says:

    “ECL/METRO FAN says:
    October 17th, 2018 at 10:48 am
    Anyone know why the Erie High vs ECP game will be played Thursday?”

    EHS requested the change due to their Homecoming Weekend, for whatever reason.

  22. Mike F says:

    Jeff H,

    Very well stated. I forgot all about that West A/ Woody High game having that as a background to it. Yes what the hell changed in the past few years in Palko’s mind?

  23. Billy Splain says:

    you guys need to tune in to a fresh set of downs tonight!! https://westernpafootball.net/news/a-fresh-set-of-downs-playoff-picture/

  24. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Anyone know why the Erie High vs ECP game will be played Thursday?

  25. Jeff H. says:

    @Mike F. – wanted to follow-up on your mention of the controversy surrounding the WA vs. NA matchup this weekend. I think it was a horrible idea to even consider a running clock, it cheapens the game and is a disservice to the fans. I understand the coaches concern of not wanting to get anyone hurt in a game that has no impact on the playoff standings, but to tinker with the rules is not the proper way to approach it and is a discredit to 2 great coaches. This was promising to be a very intriguing matchup between 2 solid football teams that have high playoff aspirations, now it’s probably going to be similar to a glorified scrimmage.

    Interestingly Bob Palko did not feel the same way in 2014, when in week 7 undefeated and top ranked Woodland Hills in 4A traveled to WA to face the 3A #1 Indians, both were ranked #1 in the WPIAL and some state rankings (PennLive had them both #1 at the time), and in an instant classic WA defeated WH 42-41 in OT on a missed extra point, fantastic game, one of the best I’ve seen in person, and both teams left everything on the field. Even though WH lost I left that game feeling it was great for high school football that 2 traditional powerhouses from different classifications would play and go at it like it was for the state title. Now, fast forward 4 yrs and Palko is singing a different tune, it’s a shame and definitely not good for the game.

  26. The artist formerly known as phillyboy says:

    Regarding PR’s defense, from the little I know it seems that their strength is at LB. DL is fair, the concern is in the secondary. They lost two studs to graduation in White and Burns. Hard to replace that.

  27. New2PA says:

    P-R and Coatesville are similar type teams – spread that can score. I don’t know about Coatesville D, but P-R’s is pretty good. In 6A, to have a shot against SJP, you have to be able to score 35+ and get a few stops. No other team out west can do that besides P-R.

    On a related note, I hope in 2020 they change back to east versus West because that could be the next chance for another incredible showdown between P-R and SJP. Both have very good sophomore QB’s and classes.

  28. Mike F says:

    Other big match ups in the WPIAL this week between teams w/ 1 loss or better.

    Blackhawk vs Beaver Falls
    Avonworth vs McGuffey
    Rochester vs Monessen

    What makes the McGuffy and Monessen games intriguing is that they have great records but didn’t really play anyone yet so this is the first test. Monessons 1st game against Charleroi got canceled so they lost that test. They lost to an ok West Green team. So there is no test till now.

    McGuffey hasn’t played anyone of substance until last week. They started 7-0. They may finish 7-3 w/ the loss to Charleroi, this week against a strong 1A Avonworth team, and finish the season against Wash High. Tough way to finish a season heading into playoffs for sure.

  29. Mike F says:

    New2PA- that is a big match up this week, we will learn more about SV after this week for sure. Are they contenders or pretenders

    NA vs WA should have been another nice match up but with the ways the coaches talked this past week not so sure anymore.

    PhillyBoy,

    I am a western PA boy so the match up I am looking for is PR vs St Joe’s. Coatesville is a legit team to the winner of that matchup. IMO Coatesville will have the advantage of not being in as big of a dog fight the week before the state title like the western rep has. Other than that, get that WaWa crap out of here. Sheetz all the way. LOL

  30. Mike F says:

    I would like to apologize for the layout of my last post, as it is hard to read. The way I initially had it laid out when I wrote it did not carry over to this page, and now it looks all discombobulated making for a hard to understand read.

  31. Mike F says:

    Here is where I stand this week

    WPIAL State
    6A- Favorite: Pine Richland St Joes (Why they are WPA is beyond me)
    Contender: North A Pine Richland
    Pretender: SV/PCC North A/ Coatesville

    WPIAL State
    5A- Favorite: Gateway Gateway
    Contender: Penn Hills West A Manheim Central/Penn Hills
    Pretender: McKeesport/PT West A

    WPIAL State
    4A- Favorite: TJ TJ/ECP
    Contender: South Fayette Bishop McDevit
    Pretender: Blackhawk/Belle Vernon Pottsgrove/ Valley Veiw
    WPIAL State
    3A- Favorite: Aliquippa Aliquippa
    Contender: North Catholic/Derry Lancaster Catholic
    Pretender: Beaver Falls/EF Grove City

    WPIAL State
    2A- Favorite: Steel Valley/Avonworth/Shady Side Southern Columbia
    Contender: Charleroi WPIAL Champ/ Wilmington/Ligonier Valley
    Pretender: Burgettstown WPIAL Champ/Delone Catholic

    WPIAL State
    1A- Favorite: Jeannette/Clarton Farrell/Jeannette/Clarton
    Contender: no one Canton
    Pretender: Rochester/OLSH everyone else

  32. The artist formerly known as phillyboy says:

    Yo Mike F, I hear you clucking big chicken. I tell you right now, the sexiest potential match up is St. Joe’s Prep – Coatesville in the state final of the ‘main event.’ SJP is the clear favorite, they just throttled Wood last week and have beaten some pretty stiff competition. Meanwhile Coatesville has a pretty special core group; just don’t know if it’s enough to stop the Prep train. Prep got so much talent and depth. If a key player gets hurt, they don’t lose so much with the replacement (Heck, PR might have won the ’14 state title if John Reid didn’t have a season ending injury. Swift, the replacement, although just a sophomore probably helped their cause more so). That’s why I absolutely believe teams like PR, NA, Harrisburg, Parkland, Wilson West Lawn, North Penn, etc. should stack their teams with the best talent possible to push back. There should be more proactiveness amongst the established programs. Would love to see the WPIAL 6A champ take out Prep in the semifinal actually. Coach K and Art Walker, dudes are class acts. I don’t go to so many games in person anymore, but I tell you for the that semi I’ll have to break out my leather jacket and get myself a 24 oz. hazelnut coffee with Irish cream at Wawa beforehand, you kidding me?!

  33. New2PA says:

    I like this site because it has different posters than others. But the layout makes it hard to follow things. Adding topics would help alot instead of one long page.

    I’m excited for this weeks game. I think SV and PR could be a good one. SV defense is playing great and they have some size to match up with PRs OL. I’m not convinced they can score enough. P-R needs to cut down on penalties and continue to get better passing the ball. If they can do that, they have a great shot to get back to Heinz.

  34. Mike F says:

    Wow it is dead in here? Does anyone follow HS football anymore? Let’s try to get this place alive again.

    NA vs WA tried to implement a running clock the entire game, but now that is against the rules it is a normal game. What does everyone think of their initial plan? While I understand the reasoning, I think it was crap and I am glad it is now a normal game.

    Playoff are coming soon. Who are favorites, contenders, and pretenders. I will answer in another post

    What classification does everyone think is the deepest/most interesting to follow this year? I say 2A. Both WPIAL wise and WPA wise.

    How has attendance/environment been at the games you attended? Must admit neither attendance nor environment have been good at most games I attended. Mostly USC games still.

    Come on lets get the talk going?

  35. Jeff H. says:

    I never thought I’d be typing this a month ago but the 6A team on upset alert this week is Seneca Valley when they host 5A Woodland Hills, who at 2-5 is much better than their record indicates and have been getting better each week. The reason WH has a good chance to pull the upset is their defense, having given up only 7 points in the last 4 games, which include shutouts over Baldwin and Kiski; while both teams are mediocre they each have scored at least 21 points in all of their other games this year, and neither came close to scoring against WH. The only TD the defense has given up over this 4 game stretch was on the first drive of the game 2 weeks ago to West Allegheny, the defense shut them down after that and their only other score was on an 85 yard kickoff return after WH had tied the game at 7-7 early in the 4th quarter.. In the narrow 16-14 loss to Upper St. Clair 4 weeks ago the defense dominated SC’s offense and all their points were scored by their defense on a pick 6 and special teams (safety and fumble recovery in end zone when WH was punting) .

    Obviously SV has a very good defense, so this certainly looks to be a low scoring game similar to SV losing to NA 10-6 a couple of weeks ago, I think SV might be looking ahead to playing PR next week and ripe for an upset, I’ll say WH wins 13-10, which would surprise some people given the records or each team and 6A vs 5A.

  36. Jeff. says:

    @ artist & New2PA – I don’t think the WPIAL winner, which I believe will be PR, will beat SJP this year, it certainly appears SJP and Coatesville are the 2 best teams in 6A and are the clear favorites at this point to meet in the final. PR would certainly not be intimated by playing SJP like a lot of teams are, I just think SJP has too much firepower this year and will beat them, but you’re right, PR is the only WPIAL team that has any shot.

    Regarding the 09 Woody High team, they sustained some significant injuries in a bruising 10-0 victory over Gateway in the WPIAL championship game so they were crippled when they played SC the following week, their top 2 running backs didn’t play (one was Lafayette Pitts who went on to play at Pitt and is now playing for the Bills), and several other starters were banged up, so they didn’t have much of an offense against SC the following week.

    01 was definitely their best team, they went undefeated again in 02 before losing in the state final that year to a better Parkland team with Austin Scott. Woody’s second best team was 99 when they won the WPIAL and then lost a classic to Erie Prep 27-23 on a last minute TD, that was one of the best HS games I’ve seen in person as there were several future NFL players on the field for both teams. ECP then had CB West on the ropes in the final until they blocked a punt for the winning TD very late in the 4th quarter for a 14-13 win and their 3rd title in a row.

  37. New2PA says:

    @artist – the only chance D7 has to beat SJP is if P-R wins the WPIAL and beats State College. I don’t think any other team can score enough to keep up with the SJP QB.

    @WPIAL_Rules – how was PCC’s new offense this past week? Did they do anything differently that gives you hope that things might be changing?

  38. The artist formerly known as phillyboy says:

    @ Jeff H. — You’re probably right, the best team doesn’t always win. That Woody team was favored and more talented across the board. But Neshaminy with their horse Brittingham and hard nosed play along with good fortune was able to pull it out. I’m sure it hurt, that was the year they should have taken it. I was always curious about that game so I bought the DVD from PCN just a few years ago. I knew the outcome of course but was still intriguing to see it play out. One other thought: what about 2009? Didn’t WH win the WPIAL that year and then lose to State College in the western final who in turn lost to LaSalle? Perhaps another missed opportunity. Yeah, the old D7/D1 (highest classification) state finals were awesome. If the WPIAL champ can handle SJP in the semifinal there’s a good chance it could happen again. Tall order though.

  39. Jeff H. says:

    @ The artist – I’m with you, I’m a Woodland Hills guy myself but would certainly love to see Gateway, or anybody else for that matter, knock off AW. Doesn’t appear AW is as dominant as they have been in recent years, will be interesting to see how they fare against SJP this week, but I’m not sure Gateway has made up the huge gap from last year, we may find out because there’s a good chance they’ll be playing in the Western finals in 7 weeks.

    And you had to mention WH not winning the big one, us Woody High faithful will go to our graves believing we were a better team than Neshaminy in 2001 and would have won that game if it was not played in a torrential downpour and Steve Breaston didn’t sprain both of his ankles in the quagmire (that was pre-turf at Hershey, the field turned into a mud pit). I’ve watched high school football for 45 years and Breaston in his senior year was as dominant as any offensive player I’ve seen.

  40. The artist formerly known as phillyboy says:

    Yeah Gateway is another one of those prominent programs like Woodland Hills that has never one the big one, PIAA gold baby. Even remember about 10-12 years ago they were ranked in the preseason USA Today Super Prep 25, then they kind of fizzled. Man, if they’re for real, would love to see them kick Wood’s bootox. I’ll be out there doing the giant arm clap like Tim Tebow, you kidding me?!

  41. Jeff H. says:

    @ The artist – TribLive has a real nice write-up on QB Brendan Majocha, he was their player of the week. I thought Franklin was going to keep it close for awhile and end up losing by 2-3 scores, similar to the way Gateway pulled away from Penn Trafford to beat them 27-7 earlier in the year, but Gateway just smoked them from the start.

    Will be interesting to see what happens between Gateway and McKeesport in 3 weeks, their games are always a slug-fest, but the way Gateway is playing hard to see McKeesport staying within 2-3 TDs. Gateway’s defense is a lot better than last year and their offense is just as good, if not better, which is saying something because Brady Walker was an excellent HS QB and finished 2nd on the WPIAL all time passing list.

  42. The artist formerly known as phillyboy says:

    Wow Jeff H., nice, will have to check out Gateway on the triblive website and hopefully later in person if and when they meet Wood. Best wishes to the Gators, hoping they bring it big time.

  43. Jeff H. says:

    Looks like Gateway made a little bit of a statement on Friday with their 63-3 shellacking of previously undefeated Franklin Regional, rolling to a 56-3 halftime lead and coasting to the victory. I have not seen Gateway in person yet this year but appears they are even more dominant than last years team that won the WPIAL title and advanced to the state championship game where of course they were beaten up by perennial power Archbishop Wood. They have not missed a beat with Brendan Majocha replacing the graduated Brady Walker at QB and in fact their offense may be even more explosive than last year.

    Looks like Gateway is the team to beat in 5A in the WPIAL, Penn Hills is obviously very good and has a lot of weapons but at this point I’d say Gateway is the clear favorite, imo they just might be the best team in the WPIAL this year, including PR and NA.

  44. D10 Insider says:

    This site and the Erie paper only picked Prep to win by 10 points. Maybe I’m missing something here. I guess their have only been 2 or 3 blowouts in this rivalry the past 10 or so years so maybe it will be closer than I think. It was also brought to my attention that these seniors of McDowell beat Prep at the JV level TWICE (34-6 and 27-6) when they were sophomores maybe they have their number.

    I’m still taking the Ramblers: 42-14

  45. Jeff H. says:

    @D10 Insider – TJ is a huge favorite to win their 4th straight WPIAL title, but for the 4th year in a row expect them to lose to Prep in the quarterfinals, think the game will be a lot closer than last year but like Prep’s chances, agree with you about the D3 winner, either Bishop McDevitt or Berks Catholic again will provide a tough test in the semi-finals.

    Also agree that neither McDowell or Erie will beat SC, speaking of SC they have a big game this week against Harrisburg that will tell a lot about how good both teams are, Harrisburg has been playing very well since getting blown out by Coatesville in the first game of the year.

    There will not be a D10 vs. WPIAL matchup in 5A this year, as 16 teams make the 5A WPIAL playoffs, and the winner enters the state tournament in the semi-finals to almost certainly face Archbishop Wood, since the PIAA flipped D3 and D12 in 5A and 6A for the next 2 years.

  46. WPIAL Rules says:

    @New2PA: That’s crazy to think that they will change the play calling. LOL!

  47. New2PA says:

    @WPIAL: Is PCC going to spread things out and throw the ball? Or put #5 at QB full time? Or play some of those defensive guys on offense?

  48. WPIAL Rules says:

    Big Changes coming to PCC Offense…. This could be the start of good things to come! We will see this Friday! Exciting times back at PCC.

  49. D10 Insider says:

    I know I mostly talk about the bigger D 10 schools but I have to draw some attention to the Northwestern Wildcats out in Albion. I blinked and they were 5-1. Coach Brooks (former ECP DL) has a great thing going out there. It takes a special guy to get a group of teenagers and a community to buy in like they did.

    It’s rivalry week in Erie with the two biggest dogs in the yard going at it Friday at the Vet. McDowell is coming in at a surprising 4-2 but credit is deserved because they find ways to win. If they can get by Erie in districts I still don’t see them beating SC. CP is starting to click with the new QB under center and if healthy look like they could make another run. The WPIAL and D 3 winner will be a very tough game for the Ramblers.

    I know I said it earlier I think the mercy rule is coming in this one. I’ll say it again. Roll Ramblers!

  50. The artist formerly known as phillyboy says:

    Good info jack. Should be interesting to see PR and NA go toe to toe later this year. They seem fairly evenly matched when analyzing the results of common opponents.

  51. jack1234 says:

    @phillboy SV is very solid this year and when healthy they might be better than PCC just due to the fact that they can actually score some. NA might’ve had an off night on offense but SV has a good defense.

    My thoughts on the PR-PCC game is that PR dominated the first quarter and they had a chance to put the game away and mercy rule PCC in the second. Coach K got too comfortable and called an onside kick that wasn’t executed properly and was returned for a TD. That was a huge play that gave PCC some life and then their defense started clamping down and making tackles and stops. PCC’s defense in the second half was playing well enough for them to win imo. Their offense was whole other story. Atrocious doesn’t even begin to describe. After a pick 6 from PCC defense I think they were within three scores and with the way their defense was playing if they were anyway competent on offense they easily could’ve come back into it. Between the turnovers and bad play calling it was just a mess for the start for them. I think they had something like 7 or 8 turnovers on offense and special teams, and they easily put the ball on the ground at least 10 times. PR’s defense made some great plays to force turnovers but some were bad mental mistakes. PR didn’t play a clean game themselves either, had a few costly turnovers that gave PCC some momentum and they went flat on offense in the second half. PR passing game is still a work in progress imo, which is what was to be expected after losing phil and all those receivers. They missed on some open passes that would’ve been touchdowns, one particular where a pcc DB tripped up and the receiver was wide open and had an easy walk in but he alligator armed it. PRs running game has been very dominate so far, but they need to hit some of these passes that are open. They haven’t had a intermediate-deep passing game this season yet. WR’s are getting open, QB needs to hit them in stride better.

    My take on PCC as a team is that their defense is very good with some depth there and none two way kids, but unless they change something on offense they aren’t going anywhere this year. They are a young team but some of the stuff they run and call is head scratching even as an opposing fan. PR

  52. D10 Insider says:

    I can see where one would get confused. My apologies if I came across harsh I couldn’t tell if that was a shot at prep or not. It’s hard to sense emotion in a forum. Most people hate ECP and I for one will stick up for them when anyone comes at them because not a lot of people like them. They play McDowell next week!

  53. New2PA says:

    Had the score almost right for offensive TD’s in the P-R vs. PCC game!

    Didn’t think about the onside KOR for a TD or the Pick-6.

    PCC Defense is talented. There are no words for their offense.

  54. The artist formerly known as phillyboy says:

    Yo D10, look man, I’m way on the other side of the state in the opposite corner. I’m lucky I knew about Seneca Valley much less Seneca. You guys were talking about this transfer last year. Huh-huh, I must confess, I wondered why he would transfer from the Pittsburgh suburbs (that’s where SV is located, right?) all the way to Erie. Ah, now it makes sense. Do appreciate all your insight though.

  55. D10 Insider says:

    Speaking of poetic justice, check your facts. Scarbino transferred from Seneca, a small AA county school. Maybe if you knew anything I would reply to your “ECP dogging it” this year comment but clearly you don’t know what your talking about. Huh-huh, lol

    Also, he transferred to prep and was listed 3rd on the depth chart at QB and got beat out by a sophomore at MLB. AAAA isn’t AA and most certainly isn’t big time 6A WPIAL ball, I doubt he would be the difference maker if you were even close to being right. The kid does have a TD in the last two games and is playing DL now. Making his presence felt.

  56. The artist formerly known as phillyboy says:

    Seneca Valley is a beast this year, almost took out NA tonight. And almost beat PCC a few weeks ago. If I remember right, didn’t that Scarabino kid transfer out of there to join Erie Cathedral Prep? See, if he had just stayed there that could have made the difference, they could have been the top dog in the WPIAL 6A this year. Meanwhile ECP is dogging it this year. Huh-huh, a bit of poetic justice I guess.

  57. Jeff H. says:

    @New2PA – agreed, as I stated earlier I think PR wins this game by at least 3 scores and doesn’t get a real challenge until the last game of the regular season against NA. Good point about the passing game, I don’t think they are going to need it to beat PCC or any other WPIAL team until they get to NA, but they will need to be able to pass the ball effectively if they’re going to advance in the state playoffs. PCC does have the best defense they will face for the next several weeks so will be interesting to see if they can make some plays in the passing game.

  58. New2PA says:

    Upset? P-R is the #1 team in the WPIAL and have trounced everyone they have played besides IMG.

    Pine-Richland 41 Pittsburgh Central Catholic 7

    🙂

  59. The artist formerly known as phillyboy says:

    @ New2PA

    You made some nice points about the PR – PCC game but conspicuous by its absence was a prediction. Do you think PR can pull the upset and take out PCC?

  60. New2PA says:

    I’m looking to see if P-R can pass the ball against PCC. If they can do that, then I think they have the inside shot to the championship. There is little doubt they can run the ball, but they need something from the pass game when teams start crowding the line with reasonable athletes. I thought Norwin would be that test, but their big guys didn’t really show up. Maybe PCC will be better.

    The P-R defense is the best I’ve seen since the 2015 PCC defense that had something like 9 or 10 D1 players on the field.

  61. Jeff H. says:

    @PhillyBoy – I don’t think PCC will give PR much of a game this week, might be close for awhile, but PCC will have lots of problems moving the ball and scoring on PR’s defense, expect the final score to be something like 28-7. Only team in the WPIAL that has a chance to beat PR this year is NA, and at this point I would say PR would be about a 1 score favorite in the final game of the regular season, would also be shocked if those 2 don’t meet at Heinz for the title.

  62. Mike F says:

    Jeff H,

    He’ll yes USC is overrated they have been since the mid 2000s. They are not well coached, whatever Render used to have he lost it at least by 8 yearsago when I moved in this district and started following them. they beat up on bad teams but as soon as they play a good team they fold at first sign of adversity.

  63. D10 Insider says:

    Phillyboy – Erie is on the rise and can compete with the likes of McDowell, but neither are on Preps level right now. Even during a “rebuilding year” for ECP. I watched that game last night, and was able to see Prep brave out the storm the night before.

    My take away is Prep is the only team that is working on defense in region 8. Erie’s special teams lost them that game last night (43-41) McDowell is very slow on defense, and not explosive on offense. Henderson was a disappointment. Erie is explosive on offense, but can’t play a lick of defense. Both special teams looked like it was their first time going out there. McDowell had a chance to blow that game wide open and couldn’t do it.

    Prediction: Prep mercy rules both teams.

  64. The artist formerly known as phillyboy says:

    Pittsburgh Central Catholic is now 4-1 but sheesh that’s a shaky 4-1 if you asked me. It used to be that they’d win every game by a score of 45-7 give or take a few points. Looking forward to the PR game this upcoming weekend. After dealing with the likes of IMG Academy, PCC will feel like a li’l bitty all star team.

  65. phillyboy says:

    Yeah checked out the schedules of Penn Hills and Gateway, so far so good. Based on the results I would give the slight edge to Gateway. Would love to see one of those guys take out Wood in the playoffs. Tired of seeing them steamroll to the 5A title. And good luck to Erie High, seems like they’re making progress. They may be able to usurp the dominance from ECP as that program gains momentum.

  66. Jeff H. says:

    I see mostly 5A teams in person each week so I have a pretty good handle on that classification, and after watching them barely escape a mediocre WH team last week I will say unequivocally that Upper St. Clair is overrated, many state wide polls have them in the top 10 (PennLive has them #6 this week), and they’re just not that good. Render’s teams rarely beat themselves and are always well coached, I just don’t see a whole lot of talent this year. I think there’s a good chance they lose to West Allegheny tomorrow night, and expect them to lose to both Mt. Lebanon and Bethel Park later in the season.

    Seems pretty clear at this point that Penn Hills and Gateway are a level above everyone else, and then there’s a handful of good, solid teams after that, with not much separating McKeesport, Penn Trafford, WA, BP, Peters, etc.

    Another overrated 5A team is North Hills, PennLive has them #10, I think they lose to Peters Twp tomorrow night and then get rolled by Gateway next week.

  67. Jeff H. says:

    New2PA – PCC is a decent team but nowhere near as good as a few years ago, agree with Jack they will be better next year. I think they are going to have their hands full with a very solid Bethel Park team this week and wouldn’t be surprised at all if they lose, I also expect PR to beat them by a couple of TD’s next week, and could see the final score being very similar to what NA did to them a few weeks ago, as they will have lots of problems moving the ball on offense and scoring against PR’s defense. I would be very surprised if PR and NA don’t play in the WPIAL final in a couple of months, I don’t see PCC, SV or Mt. Lebo beating either of them in the playoffs.

    @D10 Insider – completely agree the lack of a scrimmage before the PCC game was a factor, I was there and like you mentioned PCC wore them down in the 2nd half and part of that was due to not having a scrimmage, their offense was also not sharp, some due to PCC’s defense, but lots of new personnel and the lack of a scrimmage were also factors, I personally think if they played again ECP would win.

  68. New2PA says:

    D10 – thanks.

  69. D10 Insider says:

    New2PA

    To answer you’re questions about ECP:

    Are they down?
    Well, anyone would consider this team down after graduating the past 2 or even 3 senior classes they had. This team is solid, but not the caliber of recent years, yet.

    Did they play a bad game?
    They certainly didn’t play good enough to win. I think the lack of a scrimmage game plagued ECP from the start. That score may have been different had that happened. Not sure who to blame on that one.

    Is PCC that good?
    I was impressed with their front 7 and their offensive line. Again, ECP isn’t what they have been but still formidable and PCC owned them in the 2nd half. Any team that can line up, with the other team knowing what’s coming, and still can’t stop it is pretty good. So I’d say yes. They’re pretty good.

    Prep did get slaughtered by St. Ed’s. I’d say St. Ed’s Beats PCC by 3 scores.

  70. Jack1235 says:

    Jeff, I agree with you. I think pcc is a year away from being a tough team. Very junior heavy this year with some sophomores seeing lots of time. Lost playmaker Robson for the season against NA, tough blow for them and the kid after missing all of last year as well. After a close game with Hempfield the past week people are wondering how good they really are this year. Seneca valley is pretty good this year and I expect them to give PR and NA battles but I also heard their starting QB was injured again last week and will be out for some extended time. The backup has a start this year (against pcc’s talented defense) and played pretty decent. Something to keep an eye out for.

  71. New2PA says:

    So, trying to figure out the WPIAL 6A and the two big question marks are PR and PCC. THrowing out IMG, PR hasn’t played anyone of note. Have a Norwin team this week that seems like a lot of noise but no substance. PCC has played SV and Hempfield in very close game, but those two teams are average at best. But they did beat ECP. So, that’s the question – is ECP down? DId they play a bad game? Or is PCC that good?

  72. Steve says:

    Who is McDowell playing on 10/19 weekend? Ashtabula Lakeside sure thinks they are:

    https://lakesidedragons.org/teams/2535755/boys/football/varsity/schedule
    http://www.joeeitel.com/hsfoot/teams.jsp?teamID=140&year=2018
    http://arbiterlive.com/Teams/Schedule/4120385

    Also, this site is showing a 2nd McDowell vs Buffalo St. Joes game on 10/26. Is that correct?

  73. Jeff H. says:

    @Phiilyboy – it’s pretty apparent NA and PR are head and shoulders above the other 7 teams in the WPIAL in 6A this year, they don’t play until the final week of the regular season, and would expect a rematch at Heinz Field for the championship. NA should roll until that final game, Seneca Valley may give them a decent game in 3 weeks, but game at NA so would be surprised if they beat them, they also play a very solid West Allegheny team the week before PR, and if they are looking ahead WA might give them a run, but think NA too big on both lines and will ultimately wear WA down.

  74. Billy Splain says:

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  75. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Speaking of young Mr. Porter, I see he just committed to PSU. Congrats young man!

  76. WPIAL RULES says:

    @ Phillyboy…. Porter’s kids did transfer from North Catholic to NA after someone special lost their coaching job at North Catholic!

  77. phillyboy says:

    I’m liking what I’m seeing with North Allegheny. Nice win over PCC. NA to PR: Take a seat boys, this is our year. NA might have something special brewing, we’ll see. I love their combination of smash mouth and talent. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again……major props to any former NFL guy who sends his kid to the big time public program and not to the sexy private program. IMO it shows mettle — mental toughness, independent thinking, and adherence to principle. I believe there was another son of an NFL player on PR last year. Totally respect that. In Philly the NFL guys all tend to send their kids to St. Joe’s Prep, it’s corny.

  78. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    D10- Scarbino was out last week, he was still on the sideline however. Hopefully he will be able to take the field tonight.

  79. Jeff H. says:

    So much for the idea that Norwin might have a shot at challenging the big 3 in 6A this year, as they were overwhelmed by NA last week. Speaking of NA like their chances against PCC tonight, I saw PCC play against ECP and this is another typical PCC team like we’ve seen for the last several years under Totten, very good defense and special teams and mediocre offense, I don’t think they’ll score enough points tonight to keep up with NA.

    5A game of the week is Bethel Park at West Allegheny, IMO these 2 schools are in the next tier below Gateway, Penn Hills and McKeesport. I saw Bethel play last week and they are solid and think they’ll win a close one tonight on the road.

    Lower classes have some big rivalry games and rematches from last years playoffs, in 4A Belle Vernon hosts TJ, BV has beaten TJ twice in the last 3 years in the regular season, including last year, but TJ always beats them in the playoffs when it counts, I like TJ to win on the road tonight.

    Another playoff rematch in 3A with Aliquippa hosting Quaker Valley, I think the Quips roll tonight and exact a little bit of revenge for losing the WPIAL title last year, but the real revenge only will come with winning at Heinz in November.

  80. D10 Insider (Big Schools) says:

    Ramblers and Royals hit the road and McDowell has another Buffalo school, all be it a depleted version of St. Joes who is without returning RB (arrested) and starting QB (transferred to HS in N.C.)

    Preps run game looked good against the Canadians but they were slow to go. They need more consistent play from the QB passing the ball if they are even going to think about repeating. It doesn’t get any easier for the Ramblers this week at St Ed’s, then Benedictine, then Canisius so hopefully they get it clicking. Also, where has the Seneca transfer Scarbino been? Not at LB, not at QB, is he still enrolled there?

    I was a bit surprised Erie only scored once against Fitch. Usually the single wing gets you a few times. The only team I’ve ever seen legitimately shut down the SW is Prep. Fitch must have a pretty good D. I like Eries chances if they can run the ball well and defend the pass, especially after catching the 2nd half of the McDowell/Francis game last week.

    My big school picks this week:

    Prep – 28
    Ed’s – 24

    Erie – 49
    Francis – 35

    Joes – 31
    McDowell – 21

    I think I’m 1-5 lol so again, take with a grain of salt.

  81. phillyboy says:

    Yo ECL/METRO FAN, yeah I did check out the bracket from last year’s Division 1 Ohio tournament. Was ironic that they vanquished their two nemeses only to fall to a public that I believe had several L’s. After Pennsylvania, without a doubt I find the Ohio high school football state tournament to be the most interesting. I also like to see what’s up with the top Texas schools.

  82. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Phillyboy-Mentor lost last year in the Division 1 state finals. They had a heck of a run though, beating St. Ed’s and St. Ignatius in back to back rounds. Lost in the finals the Pickerington Central 56-28.
    Prep vs St. Eds should be a good one. The fact that St. Eds is 0-2 is scary to me, albeit they lost to two tough opponents, those kids will be hungry. Prep got beat up vs PCC. Lost both starting DE’s, MLB, and a couple other guys. Hopefully those guys get healthy and can get back on the field this week. I’m guessing St Eds 31-Prep-28.

  83. Mike F says:

    Jack I love how you tell me how I am wrong on how I feel. LOL. I stated I feel schools with history are more compelling, as that is my opinion. If others don’t feel that way, fine there is no right or wrong.

    With that said, you must have reading comprehension problems to reach the conclusion you did. At no point did I say transfers, nor did I state that these kids are not home grown in the PR community. I stated that most (i would estimate probably in excess of 80%) of these kids are 1st generation students in that district, (i.e there mom and dad/ grandparents went to HS elsewhere other than PR or the schools that made up PR.) 20 years ago most of PR was still farmland and woods not the cookie cutter neighborhoods out there now. Are you really going to argue that?

    There is no history to sink your teeth into at PR and similar schools, like you can with a Penn Hills and talk about Bill Fralic, Tom Flynn, Neil Gordon the teams from the 90’s etc. Or the Quips where we would be talking for days on their history. Hell even Woodland Hills a still rather new district compared to most, has a ton of history. Most of those kids had parents and grandparents who played at WH or Turtle Creek, Swissvale, Churchill, Braddock, etc.

    With PR and schools like it, there is none of that as again barley anyone lived there it was farmland and woods. You can bring up 2003/4 and Neil Walker and then you bring up stuff so recent that the grads are still in college. But that is it. You are obviously are a PR fanboy and there is nothing wrong with that, but at least try to follow along to my thesis instead of imposing your angst into thinking I slighted your community. I understand it is a good school with a lot of upside and that is why many people move there because of that appeal. But it lacks history and to be offended by that shows how little poise you have.

  84. Jack1234 says:

    Mike the amount of wrong things you post on here is hilarious. PR’s been around longer than that (Richland at one point). They also win mainly with kids that grew up in the district, you only have an argument against the Kenny white transfer and they still would’ve won states without him.

  85. New2PA says:

    Pine(-Richland) won WPIAL championships in football in 1969 and 1970. I’d say almost 50 years playing football qualifies as a community history.

  86. Mike F says:

    Phillyboy stated
    “But still, there’s something more compelling about a community based team’s journey to a state title.”

    Maybe in the day when the communities were Berwick, Penn Hills, McKeesport, Aliquppia etc. Not very compelling when it is Pine Richland or the Mentor’s of the world. New communities that are start ups with no history and most of the players are 1st gen students in the district. Those first names I mentioned, you had kids who were 2nd, 3rd, sometimes even 4th generation playing for the district. That is compelling. At least that is how I feel.

  87. D10 Insider (Big School) says:

    St. Ed’s also lost to Cass Tech from Detroit this last Friday. Apparently they were winning late in the fourth and the Cass Tech QB scrambled free on a 4th and 30 and connected on a 65 yard (in the air mind you) cross body throw to the goal line for the 21-20 win. It’s on Twitter, one of the craziest HS plays I’ve ever seen. I can’t remember St. Ed’s ever being 0-2, gonna be a tough one for CP this week.

    I was definitely disappointed in St. Francis this year. I thought this was going to be one of their better teams. Maybe McDowell is pretty tough this year too. Gotta give credit where it’s due. Hopefully Erie can beat SFHS this week. McDowell will continue the Buffalo schedule with St. Joes. Rumored SJCI lost a ton and their returning RB was arrested and dismissed.

  88. phillyboy says:

    @ ECL/METRO FAN

    I didn’t know Mentor beat St. Edward, awesome. I think Mentor is one of those giant suburban high schools a la North Allegheny or North Penn. They seem to always have a good team, but I don’t know that they’ve ever won it all. Would love to see them finally take the Ohio Division 1 state title. I get why the privates exist, it’s almost a microcosm of free enterprise you might say and I totally respect that. But still, there’s something more compelling about a community based team’s journey to a state title.

  89. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    D10 Insider- I would agree with your assessment. Crazy to think that ECP and Ohio power St. Eds. could both be 1-1 next week when they meet as both teams lost the season openers. St. Eds lost their opener to Mentor 42-39, both of those teams started the season in the MAXpreps top 100 at 70th and 90th.

  90. D10 Insider says:

    Erie is playing Austintown Fitch also up in D10. Prep is playing St. Joes from Canada who is rumored much better than Toronto Prep and the same affiliation to Clarkson who beat McDowell last year. I was surprised all 3 big D10 schools went down to Pittsburgh and came back with 3 losses I think 2 will bounce back this week.

    I’ve seen St Francis play for many years as an avid prep fan/supporter and they have been close to beating McDowell the last few years, I bet tonight is the night. I also think Erie bounces back but has to earn it. I will also be taking the Ramblers to even up their record and gain some momentum going into St Ed’s next week.

    Prep 42 – 14 St Joes
    Erie 30 – 28 Fitch
    St Francis 28 – McDowell 17

    Take em with a grain of salt gents, I was way off last weekend lol

  91. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Not to many big games in D-10 tonight, but one that does stick out to me is Wilmington vs Farrell. Farrell is probably be heavily favored, but its always a hard hitting, action packed game.

    Other game of interest -St. Francis (NY) vs McDowell. Erie Prep has both of these teams on the schedule so I’m interested to see what happens tonight. McDowell got beat up by Seneca Valley last week. I believe this is the first game of the season for St. Francis.

  92. Pcc fan says:

    Jeff fully agree with thoughts on games. Especially Peters they have great def and solid skill. My only question is QB very young. If he can manage game and get ball into quick receivers could pull the win.

    N/A and Norwin will be a great game. Skill qb goes to Norwin and line to NA. Big time players for Norwin show up strong and I can see an upset. Might head to this game instead of PCC as it might be better.

  93. Jeff H. says:

    The most intriguing game for me tonight in the WPIAL is Norwin playing host to North Allegheny. Expect lots of points, Norwin has a high octane offense led by junior QB Jack Salopek, but think their defense is suspect, they will be involved in a lot of high scoring affairs this season. In a very competitive game I think the difference will be in the trenches, where I give the big edge to NA, I’ll say 34-27, but sure would be nice if another team can step up and challenge the big three. We’ll know a lot more about the pecking order in 6A after this game and the game next week between NA and PCC.

    In 5A certainly appears the top 3 teams are Gateway, Penn Hills and Mckeesport, all 3 had impressive wins last week against good opponents, was surprised Gateway handled Mt. Lebo as easily as the did. PH will roll big time over Latrobe tonight, Mckeesport will win fairly comfortably over Connellsville. Gateway hosts Penn Trafford in a backyard rivalry which is always a hard hitting affair, and a rematch of last years WPIAL title game, think PT will keep it close for awhile but Gateway has too much firepower and will win by 2 scores.

    Another interesting 5A game tonight is Peters Township travelling to Upper St. Clair, with Jim Render going for his 400th victory. I think Peters is an up and coming program and Render will have to wait another week for his milestone victory, winner of this game gets a leg up in the very competitive conference 1 (South, wish the WPIAL would go back to conference names!)

  94. Jeff H. says:

    @D10 Insider/PCC Fan – I too was at the game Friday evening and agree with all of your comments, PCC did wear them down a bit in the 2nd half, thought the lack of a scrimmage for ECP was a factor, and the interception was a turning point, could have run for a first down or at the very least gotten good yardage and instead made an ill advised throw on the run. Pretty well played game for the first game of the season, hats off to both coaches for scheduling this 2yr matchup, hope we see more of it in the future.

    Going forward think ECP needs to find more ways to get Lucas the ball in space, couldn’t understand why he’s in the backfield blocking on passing plays when they’re trying to come back, he is a good blocker, but put someone else in to block and get Lucas the ball more, surprised he didn’t get more touches.

  95. Jack1234 says:

    Watched the PCC ECP game. PCC offense looks horrible. One dimensional and predictable. Looks like they went away from the pistol spread look they had last year and back to their I formation offense. Their defense won that game for them, the front 7 looks very stout. Secondary got beat deep a few times but QB for ECP struggled a bit and couldn’t connect. The new QB for pcc looks like he has some arm talent and they have playmakers on offense so it doesn’t make sense why they don’t open it up more. Perhaps because it’s his first start? PCC head coach and OC are wasting away talent, they should be much better. Can’t see them beating NA and PR if this is their offense.

  96. D10 Insider says:

    Saw the PCC/ECP game and I agree that one was a good one. I would have loved to see CP get that onside in the 4th and either attempt a game winning drive or push it to OT. Even with the late start I didn’t want that one to end.

    CC converted turnovers into points, capitalized on the few mistakes CP made and not having a scrimmage really showed for CP. It didn’t look like they were ready for how physical that game was. I agree with scheduling greats, makes both programs stronger. Good luck PCC, represent for the catholic schools in 6A!

  97. PCC fan says:

    Hats off to all the teams who played tough opponents. PR Mt Lebo and PCC learned more about their teams no matter of score. Playing doormats shows you nothing.
    Saw Peters and Central both play and learned little about Peters as Toronto team was to be nice Awful not even JV quality.

    ECP and PCC was as billed. ECP is very well coached and reloaded. QB stepped up when running game struggled and def is fast and vey disciplined. Running back is Stud but struggled against good def.

    PCC def looked good after settled in with speed of ECP. Off struggled early until they found or started opening up and making def play honest. Gavin Thompson looks great. Fast great routes and hands like glue. AJ Beatty TE catch changed game and was a great red zone grab against good def. I thought his blocking in second half at tight end really wore down ECP def. nice to see a great blocking tight end again.

    Again games mean nothing but win lose tough games show you way more. Great job to the coaches who play the hard ones!

  98. Jacob Manley says:

    Give credit to PR for playing a team of that caliber, guarantee no other team in PA would schedule them. The results have no implication towards standings or playoff seeds, and PR gets the experience of playing the best of the best. I’d rather them play good teams then cup cake teams. none of the schools pr plays will be even half as talented as this IMG squad was.

  99. Mike F says:

    IMG 42 PR 0. Like I said, should never have been played. You want to play top out of the area teams? Then play top Ohio/NJ/Maryland or even a Florida SCHOOL. Don’t play a mini college team that looks nothing like a typical HS team.

  100. jack1234 says:

    @jeff IMG struggled and was beat handily by a lesser public school team last week in a scrimmage. Although just a scrimmage, I watched plenty of the highlights and film, here’s a few things I noticed: IMG was beat deep on some passes and they were playing somewhat undisciplined getting multiple PI’s in the secondary. their O line is absolutely massive, but to me I think that’s an advantage to PR. None of those mammoths from IMG move very well, PR has better athletes and more speed on their D line, plus these kids aren’t small for PR either. IMG has a kid listed at 360 on their O line, these types of kids are always gassed by the second half imo. The PR kids believe they can win this and especially now after seeing the scrimmage film of IMG. none of the QB’s for IMG looked very good either, my guess is their going to be feeding the ball to their two stud backs a lot. If IMG struggles passing, PR defense is going to be stout against the run this year, that’s something to look out for. IMG didn’t look like they had much team cohesion either, and their players seem to hit the tweet button too much as well, a lot of egos.

  101. New2PA says:

    The thing with IMG that gives them a little bit of a pass is that they don’t compete for a Florida state championship. (They only hurt the schools they take kids from, not every school). Basically, they come, play and leave. Everyone moves on and a loss or a win is really just a test against the best of the best.

    I would have also liked for P-R to play them with last years team, but it will be a good learning experience for the P-R kids. PCC, NA, Mt. Lebo, Norwin won’t be anywhere near as talented as these cats.

    On the flip side of things, NA is playing a startup “school” that got shellacked 35-0 last week by some Canadian school. Much rather play good competition than a cupcake.

  102. Mike F says:

    Jeff H,

    Yes that is an intreging game between Gateway and Mt Lebo, I will keep my eye open for it.

    As far as the IMG/PR game. I hate this matchup. Yes last years PR would have been a better game but even then it is outrageous. People bitch on here about PCC/ECP/insert Catholic school name for recruiting on here all year long. Yet IMG is not even a school with a team like the Catholics have. It is a training center with a academic curriculum attached to it. This is not a good direction to take HS football, and I wish teams would refuse to play them. I say IMG by 3 touchdowns, anything more than that is a great job by PR.

  103. Jeff H. says:

    Intriguing crossover game tomorrow night when 5A Gateway travels to 6A Mt. Lebanon, expect a competitive game and good test for both teams, will give us an idea whether Mt. Lebanon can make a run at the big 3 in 6A this year, I have my doubts but if they can get past Gateway maybe they can hang with the big boys. .

    Looking forward to Jack’s commentary on the PR-IMG game, too bad they didn’t play last year because that would have been a tremendous matchup, still expect an entertaining game but I think PR will do well to keep it within 2 TD’s, I’ll say IMG 41-24.

    Regarding PCC vs. ECP, think most observers would agree Prep had more talent last year and the final score reflected that, this year the talent nod might go to PCC, but I still like ECP because of the coaching advantage, one of the best coaches in PA against a guy still using the Woody Hayes playbook, I’ll say ECP 31-21.

  104. Jeff H. says:

    @Jack1234 – completely agree PH has a week regular season schedule and I could easily see them going undefeated, but I think they’ll get beat in the playoffs when they go up against a team like Gateway or McKeesport that is just as good as they are, time will tell.. I have seen them play numerous times over the last several years and the lack of discipline is always pretty apparent, it’s just hard for me to get past that and pick them to win the 5A title. Steubenville typically has a pretty competitive team so they should be a pretty good test, but maybe they are down this year, we’ll see tomorrow night!

  105. Billy Splain says:

    Nate: Rankings coming Friday…. ECL: we have it covered!

  106. Nate B. says:

    Billy are you doing a ranking this year of all the classes.

  107. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Anybody know if North Allegheny will play this Friday against COF Academy?

  108. Jack1234 says:

    @jeff it’s going to be hard for penn hills to underachieve in the regular season at the very least. playoffs are always a different story. The wpial put them in a weak conference (and I personally believe they dropped down just to play in said weak conference so they have an easy path to high seed in the playoffs). They’re going to have to try hard to fail with the type of talent they have imo. They shouldn’t have an issue breezing through their regular season schedule, and I heard they’re week 0 opponent will have a down year or something along those lines. Imo penn hills is the very clear favorite from the wpial in that class. I don’t know that much about the eastern teams but I do know that ABW lost a lot of their key players from last years team, they always field a great team yearly but you never know, guess we will just have to wait and see.

  109. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    STATE RANKINGS

    Harrisburg Patriot-News

    Class 6A
    School (District) Record 2017 rank
    1. St. Joseph’s Prep (12) 13-1 2
    2. Pine-Richland (7) 16-0 1
    3. Coatesville (1) 13-2 3
    4. Parkland (11) 13-1 5
    5. Williamsport (4) 7-4 NR
    6. North Allegheny (7) 8-4 NR
    7. State College (6) 10-3 8
    8. North Penn (1) 9-3 NR
    9. Central Bucks South (1) 7-4 NR
    10. Erie (10) 9-3 NR

    Class 5A
    1. Archbishop Wood (12) 12-2 1
    2. McKeesport (7) 8-3 NR
    3. Penn Hills (7) 8-4 NR
    4. Whitehall (11) 9-4 NR
    5. Gateway (7) 14-2 2
    6. Hollidaysburg (6) 8-4 NR
    7. Springfield-Delco (1) 13-1 5
    8. Manheim Central (3) 13-1 3
    9. West Allegheny (7) 7-3 NR
    10. Meadville (10) 8-4 NR

    Class 4A
    1. Cathedral Prep (10) 14-0 1
    2. Imhotep Charter (12) 12-2 2
    3. Bethlehem Catholic (11) 13-1 3
    4. Berks Catholic (3) 13-1 3
    5. Bishop McDevitt (3) 10-3 7
    6. Thomas Jefferson (7) 11-2 5
    7. Valley View (2) 10-4 NR
    8. South Fayette (7) 11-1 10
    9. Bellefonte (6) 10-3 NR
    10. Berwick (2) 10-3 NR

    Class 3A
    1. Aliquippa (7) 12-1 3
    2. Sharon (10) 10-4 4
    3. Middletown (3) 14-1 2
    4. Scranton Prep (2) 13-1 5
    5. Loyalsock Twp. (4) 8-5 NR
    6. Conwell-Egan (12) 7-7 NR
    7. Wyomissing (3) 10-2 NR
    8. Grove City (10) 11-1 10
    9. Huntingdon Area (6) 10-2 9
    10. Mercyhurst Prep (10) 10-1 10

    Class 2A
    1. Southern Columbia (4) 16-0 1
    2. Steel Valley (7) 11-1 6
    3. Wilmington (10) 14-1 2
    4. West Catholic (12) 8-4 NR
    5. Dunmore (2) 14-1 4
    6. Ligonier Valley (6) 13-1 5
    7. Washington (7) 13-1 3
    8. Seton-LaSalle (7) 9-2 NR
    9. Clarion (9) 12-1 8
    10. Steel-High (3) 11-3 3

    Class 1A
    1. Farrell (10) 11-3 4
    2. Bishop Guilfoyle (6) 13-1 6
    3. Jeannette (7) 14-1 1
    4. California (7) 12-1 8
    5. Old Forge (2) 11-2 10
    6. Clairton (7) 9-3 9
    7. Portage (6) 8-3 NR
    8. Our Lady of Sacred Heart (7) 9-3 NR
    9. Rochester (7) 8-3 NR
    10. Williams Valley (11) 13-1 7

  110. Billy Splain says:

    The price for our showcase is $10 adult, $5 student both days. Tickets are for all day. Erie was scheduled because we needed another team. Parking at the High School with shuttles running to stadium

    Schedule is:

    Friday
    5 pm Peters Twp vs West Toronto Prep Live Stream https://tribhssn.triblive.com/broadcast-calendar/2018-08-25/All+Sports/All+Levels/All+Schools/
    8 pm Central Catholic vs Cathedral Prep
    Saturday
    11 am Imani vs Richard Wright charter
    2pm McKeesport vs Erie
    5pm Aliquippa vs McKinely Tech Live Stream https://tribhssn.triblive.com/broadcast-calendar/2018-08-25/All+Sports/All+Levels/All+Schools/
    8 pm Woodland Hills vs Woodrow Wilson Live Stream https://tribhssn.triblive.com/broadcast-calendar/2018-08-25/All+Sports/All+Levels/All+Schools/

  111. D10 Insider says:

    Awesome information guys. I really appreciate the feedback. Especially about the watering holes lol. Excited for the showcase but shouldn’t the band have been WPIAL vs the World considering Erie High and Prep are both from Erie. Correct me if I’m wrong but isnt Erie on the western part of PA?

    I hope the PT/WTP game is a fast one. I’ve been waiting to see Central/Prep II for a year!

  112. Jeff H. says:

    ECL/Metro FAN – not much to offer in Turtle Creek where the stadium is located, Shelly Pie’s has great pizza and lots of big screen TV’s but it’s a BYOB place, there is a local dive bar next door called Tin Pan Alley, both on Penn Avenue about 3 blocks from the stadium.. Another option is Churhill Haus on Brown Avenue/Route 130, which is about a mile or so from the stadium, depending on which exit you get off I-376 East (if coming from Erie will either be getting off at Forest Hills/Route 30 east exit, or Turtle Creek exit Route 130, the 130 exit is the more direct route with less traffic lights, and the Churchill Haus will be on the way to Turtle Creek on the left side in a small shopping plaza.
    There is also a more upscale place in Forest Hills on Rt 30 east called the Roman Bistro with lots of different beers on tap, that’s about 2 miles from the stadium and a 5 minute drive from there.

    I will be there and sitting on the ECP side even though I’m a WPIAL guy, like most of us diehards in the Pittsburgh area that are not PCC alums we generally root against PCC no matter who they play, and I thoroughly enjoyed the shellacking ECP gave them last year!

  113. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Jeff-You left out 1 very important detail…… What about a local watering hole to have a few before the game? Anything decent?

  114. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    This is the only thing I can find:

    https://woodyhighwolverines.org/2018/04/12/wpial-vs-everyone-football-showcase/

  115. Jeff H. says:

    @ECL/Metro – tickets available at the gate, not sure of the cost, I’ll see if I can find that information and post, As for the games the list is as follows:
    Friday 5pm – Peters Township vs. West Toronto Prep
    Friday 8pm – ECP vs. PCC
    Saturday 11am – Imani Christian vs. Union (A schools, Imani Christian is one of the favorites to win the WPIAL title this year and lost a classic to Jeanette in last year’s title game)
    Saturday 2pm – McKeesport vs. Erie High (expect a very competitive game)
    Saturday 5pm – Aliquippa vs. McKinley Tech (Wash DC)
    Saturday 8pm – Woodland Hills vs. Woodrow Wilson (Wash DC)

    Limited parking in the stadium lot, additional parking available at the Woodland Hills Academy a couple of blocks away (former Turtle Creek HS building), also parking available on the side streets adjacent to the academy. Do not park in the CVS or Shopping Plaza parking lots as you will likely be ticketed and perhaps towed, more information available at the following site http://www.schaeffersite.com/football/

  116. Jeff H. says:

    @phillyboy – Jack gave you his synopsis of 5A and 6A, and while Penn Hills does have a lot of skill players returning I would hesitate to consider them the favorites in 5A, as they have a history of underachieving the last several years. 5A is the deepest and most balanced classification in the WPIAL and has been since the move to 6 classes, not sure any other classification in any district in the state can count 7 former state champions among its members, and that doesn’t include Woodland Hills or Gateway.

    I like McKeesport this year and would label them the favorites, as Jack noted Gateway will be tough again if they can find an adequate replacement at QB for Brady Walker, and Penn Trafford is always very competitive having made the WPIAL final in 2 of the last 3 years (and should have beaten Gateway last year).

    Would also not count out new members Bethel Park and up and coming Peters Township, who along with Penn Hills dropped from 6A to make this classification even deeper than it already was.

    I also disagree with Jack about Penn Hills or any WPIAL 5A team making it to Hershey, the only reason Gateway got there last year was because Harrisburg was upset in the district 3 playoffs, and this year the path to Hershey goes through Archbishop Wood, enough said!!

  117. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Anybody have information for the event in Turtle Creek. Looking for ticket information or maybe a website with all the games.

  118. Pcc fan 01 says:

    D10 I think ECP experienced staff will have their team ready for Friday. I expect a good game and I agree their coach is one of the best around.
    I missed scrimmages Sat but was told PCC and McKeesport played their usuals hard hitting yearly event. PCC sat I believe 4 skill players 2 from def back field and it showed getting beat for two long passes. I was told Def line from PCC when starters were in shut down vaulted wing T run. Heard McKeesport kid Gaskins I believe could real good in 5A stood up to constant front pressure from PCC d line. Pcc off looked the same from what I heard and missed a lot of open receivers especially TE was open all game and yep didn’t throw once to him?

    ECP and PCC I believe will be a great game

  119. D10 Insider says:

    I was disappointed Mentor cancelled the scrimmage with ECP, leaving them without a post camp test. It’s going to be hard for a lot of new starters to come out and perform under the big lights vs PCC. Prep is good, but not as big/talented as last year and PCC seems to be huge and fast. I just hope it’s not 40-7 either way.

    I think this one may come down to toughness and whose kids are better prepared. I have to give props to Mischler and his staff. They can dial it up.

    Early prediction Prep by 2.5 scores. Something like 35-14 or 35-21. Love the site!

  120. Mike F says:

    Was at my in laws this past Saturday and read in the Butler Eagle that Butler HS has over 60 kids (up from mid 40’s last year) out for the Varsity football team this season and after not having a freshman team last year they have 40 Freshman this year. That is very encouraging for any school but especially one of the largest schools in the WPIAL as i feel those numbers are still low for a school that size. Hopefully those numbers continue to grow there, and else where. Not saying that I expect a better win/lose record, but it is nice to see participation going up some where when it seems like everywhere else the numbers are dropping. Apparently the new coaches really hit the halls hard and recruited kids. Good for them, that is what is needed today. Back in my day I went to 2 different high schools and the coaches never needed to do that for football, other sports yes but not football, the kids sought football out on their own. Hopefully there are enough coaches who are good sells-men going in these schools to get the numbers back up.

  121. New2PA says:

    Jacky is correct on the PR coaching situation.

    Anybody get to scrimmages? I was told that P-R looked really good on defense and passed the ball surprisingly well. Up the middle on defense was stout and new DE’s are very good but young. Secondary was not tested. OLine is dominated by seniors, skill by sophomores. Starting OL did not play much.

    NA?

    PCC?

  122. Pcc fan 01 says:

    Bill
    Agree sorry really have no desire for any of that. I apologize. Not even responding to that topic anymore. Just a fan of several wpial teams no negativity here.

    Nice set up of forum also

  123. Billy Splain says:

    I opened the forum to posting out of kindness….you will notice your posts have been edited…no cursing, bashing, name calling, etc….all the stuff you have to tell children….it’s a forum for adult discussion….please keep it respectful

  124. Jack1234 says:

    Soooo you and wpial rules post wrong things and I correct that and that must mean I’m “mad” and I know nothing about the wpial other than PR? How childish are you? Go read my posts about the other 6A schools on the rivals forum. I’ll say it once again don’t like what I post don’t read this site. Simple as that.

  125. Pcc fan 01 says:

    On a another note good luck to all wpial teams scrimmaging this morning and prayers for safe healthy season.

    Can’t make any scrimmages today have a wedding to attend, so looking forward to some good honest reviews. Thanks

  126. Pcc fan 01 says:

    Jack
    Man you still bringing this up!!! Wow just get it over with it and get PR tattoo on your forehead.
    Don’t drag me in on your crazy PR stuff!!! I was done yesterday with your one sided mind. You have nothing else to offer start a I love PR forum wow….

    Wow can you offer any positive thoughts for ANY other team in wpial?

  127. Jack1234 says:

    1. RB/assistant head coach was fired, had previous issues with administration was only a matter of time
    2.nope
    3.coach K was suspended during the investigation or whatever that ended around when school ended.

    Congrats, you’re wrong. Haven’t you said some other stupid stuff on here that was fabricated about coach k being suspended 4 games? You pcc guys crack me up. PR gets two guys last year (one was moving in w legal guardian) and you lose your mind but I guess when pcc gets guys over the years like justice Evans, weathers, Laconi, kyros Thorpe, Aj Beatty, Jacob hinish, cj Thorpe (I can keep listing) it’s all fine and they’re just trying to better themselves as “student athletes” right?

  128. WPIAL RULES says:

    If PR is so great and wonderful… why did the QB coach get caught recruiting out of Ohio? Why did the following happen at PR:
    1. QB coach was fired.
    2. OC was demoted to O-Line Coach
    3. Coach K was suspended over the spring until school was out in June?

    Oh wait… here it comes…. only private school recruit and PR is homegrown with White and Burns on the team.

  129. phillyboy says:

    Total respect for PR and Coach K, hope they keep it rolling. In regards to Crawford, without question he was the best RB in the WPIAL last year, heck maybe the state. Frankly I was surprised he didn’t get offers from some D1 schools. Maybe a school like Boise State or Pitt or even Iowa. I could see it, what he did last year was not in some youth football program, that was big time high school ball. Played large.

  130. Jack1234 says:

    Not sure what any of that has to do with what I’m saying, but you seem to be the one that’s getting upset. If you don’t like what I post why don’t you just not look here? It’s simple.

  131. Pcc fan 01 says:

    Jack
    Really? You are obviously all in at PR and know very little or follow anyone else.

    Ok again done with topic and yes I don’t care for the love of god PR is good quit crying ha. I said in the beginning I like their team also just not in love like you! Sounds like you are not a phil fan ha….

  132. Jack1234 says:

    3 linemen are and king is. And if you think PR is done being good for the forseable feature you’re surely mistaken. They’ve always had talent in the pipeline, they were mediocre before coach K because they had a terrible coach. He comes in and now you’re seeing it on display. This team they have this year is going to be very very good, and the new QB looks like a good one. Your Arogance is making you look quite ridiculous

  133. Pcc fan 01 says:

    NEW topic!!!!
    Bored with old one anyone know who will qb peters twp this year? Saw them last year and they had some really nice young receivers but qb graduated. not sure who can get them the ball this year? Any info?

  134. Jack1234 says:

    Seriously How old are you? You’re just gonna say “your mad” basically in every post? And I wasn’t saying Crawford was the best Back to come from the wpial, but imo he was the best back in the wpial last year.

  135. Pcc fan 01 says:

    Jack who is d1 on or this year two lineman and Tyler king great lb? Honestly PR had a good few years PCC is good every year. No need to be mad. Again I am also a Mt Lebo fan. “Where I live”. Just Pcc alum sorry
    Not sure you are anything but a PR fan lol. Ya PR ran on mostly pass def! Everyone and I mean everyone knew can’t win unless you stop QB. Other coaches didn’t care about run! Lol really

  136. Pcc fan 01 says:

    Jack
    I may be mistaken but how many td did qb have and yards rushing? Lol come on don’t be mad good team. But great with qb. Sorry sounds as if one of the other kids is yours or family.
    Sorry again if it hits a nerve. Not like RB were like sanders when he was at Woody! Qb was at that level it is true. Lol I am being an honest fan of all of them and what I saw.

  137. Jack1234 says:

    Hmmmmm Crawford averaged 8.8 yards per carry in 6A had over 1k yards and 500 yards receiving plus he scored 7 touchdowns in half against your supposed “stacked with D1 recruits” defense. Stats and film speak for themselves. I phil played O line and receiver and defense all by himself as well?

  138. Jack1234 says:

    @mike F they played two nationally ranked teams in 2016 and twice against one in 2017

    @pcc fan sorry no nerves struck here, I was just pointing out you were wrong. Receiving interest doesn’t mean they’re D1, I’ve seen plenty of guys recieve interest and never get offered. Until they’re offered by a school you can’t say their D1 (not to say they won’t eventually be). So 4 kids with offers then. Shows how much you know about PR if you think jurkovec was most of their success. They had one of the best defenses in the state, elite skill players all around, very good O Line, elite backs etc. Pretty much every starter had been in the weight room since the day after they lost to PCC in the semi finals up until the season. Obviously jurkovec accounted for a lot of TD’s he was arguably the best player in the country and he’s touching the ball every play, but Like new said Crawford scoring 7 TDs In a half or the defense playing lights out in clutch moments that must’ve been all jurkovec right?

  139. Pcc fan 01 says:

    New,
    let’s agree to disagree saw pine three times last year and EVERYTHING came off QB. Def drops they would run, pressure him he threw strikes or would see a hole and run himself didn’t he have more running yards then RB or close?
    There were better running backs in wpial last year then Crawford. QB set tone for everything. It was a good team without QB but great with him. Kid was a game changer.

    Sorry it is what is.

  140. Billy Splain says:

    they are set to approval need because of spammers and people misbehaving….

  141. New2PA says:

    ECL: Parking at the Wolverina is not very good. Its tucked away in a valley. One nice sized lot but the stadium holds a lot of people. They may have shuttle buses running for this event though. I am not sure on tailgating rules.

    PCC Fan 01: I do agree that Jurkovec was special. But I think you overstated his impact a little in the first game (if that’s possible). Crawford had 6 rushing TD and 7 over all – in the first half. There was no more scoring.Of course, Crawford is gone too.

    Moderators: Why do posts take some much time to show up? You guys have day jobs that prevent you from being here every second of the day. LOL!!!!!!

  142. Pcc fan 01 says:

    Jack and new, sorry didn’t mean to strike a nerve. I don’t have any kids or family on team just a pcc and pitt alum. A fan who attends some games. I was visiting and spoke to few people at practice watched. Now with that said I will say that def is solid period. I believe only two seniors on def line and lot juniors at lb and safety and corners. Thompson receiver and safety has d1 offers and Dodson does but all academics committed to ivy. Allen twins will and also. Elliott Donald soph d line has Toledo already. Beatty is being recruited by host of Big 10 including Michigan state, Wisconsin northwestern and I heard Iowa had him at their camp and love him. Might be be better tight end . Huge NT 6’3 330 looks to be a d1 also very quick feet for his size. Soooo not just one or two D1 prospect.
    I agree need to open offense up and be balanced if want to even think of beating east teams. PR has great o line one great backer and one good backer, but let’s be honest last year games were taken over by a special qb. Fan of his game and PR also, but won’t be the same without him. Will be very good but he accounted for most of td with arm or his legs. I am also a Mt Lebo fan hope that doesn’t get you more upset. great responses H2P first

  143. Mike F says:

    Nice site set up good work Billy.

    Jack1234 says:

    “I’ll put pcc as the top team when they prove they can run an efficient offense and can beat nationally ranked teams.”

    Who has done this? WPIAL teams rarely play against nationally ranked teams that are not a fellow WPIAL team.

  144. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAAega7QxD4

  145. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    PCC is going to have their hands full next Friday with Erie Prep at a Neutral site. I was baffled by their offensive play calling against ECP last season. PCC may have more talent then ECP this season, However I think we all can agree that Coach Mischler’s staff can coach with the best of them. Should be a good one!

    P.S. Anything we should know about Wolvarena? Parking? Tailgating?

  146. Pcc fan 01 says:

    Jack and new2pa, just a fan here as I am alumni and work at pitt. I was at a practice observed and spoke to a few people, just my observations, and I agree would love to see off open and throw more and be balanced.
    Now Def from what I saw and was told look Big and fast. Dallas will have more offers no doubt. Allen twins and Beatty are juniors and Was told Beatty has lot of schools talking to him. Iowa had him at their camp in summer was told they loved him and coming in fall to speak to him, Toledo, Akron and Kent also. Allen twins lot of interest also from Mac. 330 NT 6’3 is fast and looks mean. Not sure if recruiting but should be. Soph Elliott Donald has Toledo offer already. Now with that said, Dodson is Columbia as he is a great student had others but school for him and football. Lbs are solid young and deep. Robson ack also on def and Harris so lot of junior talent here.
    Nothing personal I am a Mt Lebo fan also lol. Just I saw one hell of a team at practice for a high school at Pcc Go see for yourself. PR Oline against pcc d line might be a classic will be going to that stud fest for sure.

    Just a fan

  147. Pcc fan 01 says:

    Jack and New, Dallas and Big nose are the only seniors on PCC d line! Dalls has two official more coming for sure from what I see hear probably Pitt. Beatty I was told was at Iowa and they loved him this summer coming to see him in fall, also Wisconsin, MSU and North western. Mac is all over him also. Elliott Donald soph already has ton of looks and was told Toledo offered. LB are solid and Dodson Columbia is Big physical shut down corner. Thorpe on other side has swagger and can play. Robson back at safety and solid LB. I’m telling you go see them in person. Was shocked at size and speed! Walked by me said shit looks like they play on Sat not Friday . Respect opinions just my observations no weaknesses I see on Def.

  148. WPIAL RULES says:

    @ Jack1234 you are correct the OC is a complete joke. It appears that kids need to kiss his ass to be on his good side to see playing time! I think after the class of 2020 is done playing at the end of the 2019 season the HC may retire. If the HC retires, hopefully he will take the OC with him into retirement.
    PCC has to great QB and both are Juniors. Hopefully with that type of skill in the backfield they find some different plays instead of holding the ball on 3rd and long and running up the middle.

    @PCC Fan 01 – I have no idea what you are talking about, the only 2 on the D-line that has any offers are Dallas and Beatty. I’m sure other offers will come to the rest of the line after this season…. Maybe another will get D-1 but the rest will be D-2.

  149. New2PA says:

    PCC Fan 01: Which kids have D1 offers besides the 2 Dallas has? I wasn’t aware that they had that much talent coming back after losing Green (ata Pitt) and another DE, all their LB’s, and Wethers and Laconi and Thomas on the back end?

  150. Jack1234 says:

    Stacked with D1 recruits? Outside of Dallas, Dodson, and Thomson who is D1 (Dodson and Thomson have Ivy League offers, Dallas is mac and fcs)? Also it’s pretty clear their HC and OC are very inept at offense. The offense I saw twice against PR looked like a joke that was wasting the talent they had. That’s been the story for a while now when they play a equal team or better. I’ll put pcc as the top team when they prove they can run an efficient offense and can beat nationally ranked teams.

  151. Pcc fan 01 says:

    Central Catholic in 6A is looking like the top dog. Defense looks crazy good stacked with D1 recruits. D line is lights out big fast nasty. Has to be the two best def end combo in state with Dallas 6’4 220 and Beatty 6’5 230. Both fast strong relentless. Add 6’3 330 nose and Allen twins 240 at tackle. Umm this is high school? Good luck lbs and backs are hitters lights out!

  152. Jack1234 says:

    @phillyboy been busy and this forum has been kinda dead this summer. Hope to see the discussion pick up during the season. The top 3 teams on paper in no particular order from 6A will be PR, NA, and PCC (per usual). It’s to early right now to pick a favorite as no team really has a clear advantage over the other, but if I had to pick (with some bias) I’d pick PR as the slight favorite. Their o line is going to be the best in the state, averaging 6’4 280 with multiple D1 guys on it. Their RB this year Is one of the fatest guys in the state and will be a threat to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball. Also the new soph QB has been looking like the real deal during practice and camp. He’s going to be a stud by the time he’s a senior. Also they Might have the best linebacker core in the state as well with Tyler king, Anthony Cerminara, and merrick Miller. Two sleeper teams in 6A are norwin and mount lebo. Both have very good skill players coming back, it remains to be seen if they have the lines and depth to compete with the big 3.

    In 5A I think penn hills is the clear favorite right now. Absolutely loaded with elite athletes, and they added a 6’4 WR transfer from PCC. If they can get it together and play to their potential they have a likely chance of being in Hershey. The key for them will be discipline (which has been their undoing in a ridiculous amount of games the past few years) and line play. Anouther team is gateway, although they lost a phenomenal QB they have elite skill players back including one of the top players in the country Derrick Davis. Their season imo will depend on the new QB(who Is a transfer from kiski area and I saw play against PR in 7on7, honestly did not look like that impressive) and especially their lines because when I saw them play a few times last year both their lines looked god awful and they truthfully made it to Hershey off their ridiculous skill players before abw exposed that. Wpial championship in 5A likely comes down to these two teams but 5A always has lots of good teams that you can’t count out, like McKeesport, West A etc

  153. D9 BULLDOG says:

    WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS ON THE NEW D9 LEAGUE? WITH CASH STRAPPED SCHOOL DISTRICTS IM NOT SURE THE TRAVEL INVOLVED IS A GOOD IDEA BUT I THINK IT WILL MAKE FOR BETTER FOOTBALL.

  154. phillyboy says:

    jack, you out there? Calling 1-2-3-4 jack, jack1234. You’ve been awful quiet lately. Mum’s the word. Any insights or thoughts on the WPIAL 6A and 5A this year. Who’s the team to beat? [Every time I use that expression it reminds me of Jimmy Rollins who predicted that the Phillies were the team to beat in the preseason around 10 years ago. The Phillies started off the year with a bad losing streak so the headline in the Philadelphia Daily News was something like ‘Phils are the team to beat, and beat and beat and beat.’] But I digress.

  155. D10 Insider says:

    Foleman, thanks for the info. I’m well versed on George, he’s massive. Myers got a few reps last year too I believe and he was impressive. I think ECP lost a lot like PCC lost a lot the year before. Would have been nice to have these two teams play two years ago but what can you do. ECP will be competitive again, I’m hoping for a more entertaining game and I think we will this year.

  156. New2PA says:

    Come on down to the PR-IMG game. Maybe not as close of a game, but not many times you’ll be able to see multiple 4 and 5 star athletes on the field at the same time in Western PA!

    Will the PCC-ECP matchup be better this year? ECP lost a bunch?

  157. Foleman says:

    D10 Insider, Berks Catholic and McDevitt will again battle it out in the District 3 final. McDevitt has a ton of returning starters and is ranked 1 slot higher in the State Polls than BC. Berks Catholic might have the fastest backfield in Pa with Brandon George-FB who verballed to Pitt, Abdul MacFoy-6th in the State in AAAA 100 Meter, Quinn Foley-supposedly faster than MacFoy and Anthony Myers, they need to replace 4/5 starters on the o-line though.

  158. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Thinking about heading down for Friday nights 8:00pm game with PCC and ECP.

  159. D10 Insider says:

    I will also be in Turtle Creek. Gotta be the best match up in Western PA. Two of the best teams, where else would you go?

  160. Billy Splain says:

    you KNOW We’ll be at the Wolvarena!

  161. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Who is headed to where on opening night?

  162. D10 Insider says:

    4A speaking, how is the WPIAL looking and has anyone heard anything about Berks and McDevitt? Assuming Imhotep is going back because they are loaded just trying to see anyone’s thoughts on 4A state playoffs. Love the site!

  163. Mike A says:

    OK…thanks

  164. Billy Splain says:

    no idea, we are no longer affiliated.

  165. Mike A says:

    Anyone know what happened to the easternpafootbal.com web site. Many of the links don’t work and the URL’s come back as invalid and most of the information is unavailable. Were they hacked?

  166. Billy Splain says:

    fun game…great ending…..you should have pushed through!

  167. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    Billy-Seen you from a distance on Friday at the Save-an-eye. Had to big of a posse with me to stop. Thoughts on the game?

  168. B. Powell says:

    I hear a “success factor” has been approved by the PIAA, beginning season 2020-2021.
    These points will be accumulated by teams in the post season playoffs, correct?
    And for the sports of football and boys/girls basketball and perhaps soccer?

    Let’s see some more info from guys in the know.
    I’d think these points are only relevant (to be counted) during playoff advancement.

  169. Billy Splain says:

    Make sure u come say hi. I’ll be in my wpa green shirt

  170. D10 Insider says:

    Excited for the Save An Eye game too. Looks like the county will be the favorites this year with the city only being able to pull from 4 teams. Also, if you’re planning on heading out to see Mischler, Bauer, Scruggs, Roberts and Oedekoven you are out of luck because those all stars are already at camp. Should be a good one though, two great staffs going at it!

  171. Billy Splain says:

    Thanks!! We’ll be there!

  172. ECL/METRO FAN says:

    WOW! Updated site looks great! Great work guys. Getting excited for the season to start. Save-An-Eye ALL-STAR game is this Friday!

  173. river runner says:

    Rumors out of D9 that Sheffield maybe in some trouble. They may not have enough kids to support a team this year. Even with the COOP from Abraxas it isn’t looking good at this time. Could be another Warren County School joining Warren/Youngsville.

  174. sausmann9 says:

    A big shout out to the kids that played in the Mercer Co v Erie Co all star game last friday night. Besser from sharpsville is one tough kid!!! I loved the fact that they played DEFENSE in this game. All star games have lost luster over the years b/c of the LACK OF hitting, attitude, and defense; not this game!! Kudos to the two kids from Sharon as well, tough tough tough! This was a fun game at a cool venue!

  175. Pcc64 says:

    Jack, thanks for the info. I think they have some good defensive lineman but you could always use more. My inside source is no longer at Central so you know more about the Vikings than I do.
    WPIAL Rules, if he has legal representation he probably will prevail. But thanks for reminding me of that option.

  176. WPIAL Rules says:

    PCC64 AJ Plays TE and DE! If the WPIAL doesn’t approve it PIAA will!

  177. Jack1234 says:

    @pcc64 he plays TE/DE. Isn’t pcc pretty deep on DE this year? If I remeber correctly they already have Dallas and few other kids that rotated in returning. I think if this new kids approved he can be a match up nightmare on offense, that’s if they throw him the ball this year.

  178. Pcc64 says:

    I’ll be rooting for PR to do well against IMG. Personally, I don’t hate IMG, it’s a national type team and I admire them. FYI, I am a Central guy who lives half the year in the Pine Richland District, 8 minutes from NA and half the year in Florida, 15 minutes from IMG. I have some good programs to root for.

  179. Pcc64 says:

    Jack what position does AJ Beaty play ? I doubt that the WPIAL will approve this transfer. I was told by Central principal that the WPIAL has approved one of the last 14 transfer requests (Approximately).

  180. Jack1234 says:

    Aj Beatty from bethel park appears to have transferred to pcc. He’s a player to watch, started as a soph and he looked good when I saw him play. How do some of the western teams outside of the wpial look this year?

  181. Offsides says:

    Powell,
    Nothing but respect for the Bison for deciding to play where their enrollment puts them and not being followers. I’m not promising any D10 title from CP, this is a whole new team. My point was the 4A schools playing 5A ball get their D10 title but then get mangled in the next round. Why not work all year to beat Prep and then compete against schools like your own in states.

    Tully,
    The last 4 years Prep lost to CASH and Wakulla, Fla. They then had to come from behind and rally to beat McDevit after a tough game with TJ and then got beat 40-3. The following year they needed a some 4th quarter magic to upset Tep in states and let’s not forget Berks Catholic going blow for blow with them in the first half this year, and it’s not like they walked all over Imhotep in the finals. If Cherp would let TJs kids play instead of telling them they aren’t good enough to beat a private school those games would be closer too.

    One thing for sure, Prep will have a tough time getting back to Hershey and even through the WPIAL and D3, that’s IF they get out of D10. Never say never FLB, just ask CASH.

    Sausman,
    That’s ridiculous lol.

  182. sausmann9 says:

    a bit of info on Pine Richland’s week 1 opponent from USA today high school sports “Way too Early top 25”. If you have the time, watch some of the video on their linemen and how freakishly athletic they play.

    IMG Academy
    Location: Bradenton, Fla.
    17-18 Record: 8-0
    Final Super 25 Rank: 2

    The Ascenders can pluck the best talent around the country and they have won 37 games in a row. Of the top 50 senior recruits for 2019 in Florida, 11 of them go to IMG.

    The offensive line is impressive. It is anchored by: 6-7, 391-pound senior OL Evan Neal; 6-4, 345-pound senior Deyavie Hammond; senior Donte Lucas, a 6-3, 323-pound FSU commit; TCU commit Justin Osborne (6-4 and 275 pounds); and LSU commit Charles Turner, who is 6-4 and 260 pounds.

    That line will help open holes for two five-star senior RBs in Noah Cain and Trey Sanders.

    The Ascenders have two Div. I-level quarterbacks in David Baldwin and Bryson Lucero and Missouri-bound WR Shamar Nash.

    The defense is led by senior DE Nolan Smith II, a Georgia commit, LB Charles Thomas, a Michigan commit, senior LB Jaleel McRae, who is committed to Florida State, and DB Briton Allen.

  183. Tully says:

    Definitely agree CP will play anyone and always have a strong non-conference schedule. From the outside looking in tho it sure appears they are fine doing that as long as it doesnt hurt their chances for state championships. Seems thats the overall priority for the admins that make those decisions. It is crazy to suggest they should not fight at their weight class and play at least 5a if not 6a. I am talking caliber of competition not enrollment (the numbers argument isnt an argument especially when you are one the biggest and dominating in your current class). The new 4a in a six class system isnt anywhere as good as the old 3a in four classes where that argument might have held at least some water. Same goes for Wood and Tep. If I am that good I want to earn my rings against the best.

  184. B. Powell says:

    Offsides,
    FLB stayed 4A with ECP this cycle.
    I guess we’ll see you week #12, but they didn’t run away this time.
    Figure it as a couple more weeks of practice for the younger kids before the D10 4A finals.
    You can dismantle us, how’s that?

  185. Billy Splain says:

    cool….our guy Shane Lux will be on the sidelines covering the game….rosters going up shortly

  186. sausmann9 says:

    @billy – yep, heading out to the Mercer Co all-star game at Greenville and trying to make it by kickoff. Leaving Lehigh Valley by noon hopefully w/ one stop near Clarion.

    Love that school Greenville where this game is being played, their new field is really nice, and Coach Stone and his crew are some old buds. I love that football up there too. Still have your small town teams that take a ton of pride in their programs ala Greenville, Hickory, Wilmington, Sharon back in D10 again now, etc…

  187. Billy Splain says:

    Sausman….I will be posting the rosters for that, ken lantzy and the westmoreland game later today….We’ll have full game coverage, you going?

  188. sausmann9 says:

    anyone have an updated roster for the Mercer County all star game this friday night at Greenville HS??? tx.

  189. Offsides says:

    Cathedral Prep isn’t afraid to compete against anybody. They simply play where the PIAA puts them. The point of counting the number of boys in the school is to put them in fair classifications. They certainly aren’t afraid of any WPIAL teams. 4A playoff system is competitive for the schools in that class, that’s why they play there, that’s what the care about. Speaking of competing, how about all of the other 4A schools in D10 opting to “play up” to avoid Prep in districts, just to get dismantled in the next round.

  190. Tully says:

    Drew the new 4a is no where near as tough as the old 3a. Not even close. In fact just by math alone it is the lower 67% bubenrollment. You also lose perennial powers like Wood and West Allegheny. And who cares if ECP would occasionally runs into a superior team. Welcome to reality and isn’t the point to compete rather than choose the easy path?

  191. David Mika says:

    We are moving the site to a new server. The forum will be shut down until we are done. I am going to shut it down at noon, Monday. Thank you!

  192. sausmann9 says:

    I hope I am wrong, very wrong, but PR will get throttled on ESPN next season if this game is a go. IMG has more five-star (three of them as of now) than PR has all-state (two as of now) players on their roster. I can say this with 99% accuracy and that is IMG will get another half dozen four-star (or higher) players prior to summer practice starting and RP will get ZERO four-star or higher players by the start of summer practice. PR is a season late on this match up.

  193. Drew says:

    @Jeff

    While I do think the 5A discussion/criticism is fair I’d still like to point out that CP has benefited from one of the best SR classes in the history of D10 the past 2 years. The 3 years between winning in ‘12 and the back-to-back these past years they lost to McDevitt; didn’t even make it out if D10; and got blown out by TEP. Yes, those 3 years they were in the old 3A but their path outside of D10 was the exact same as it has been in the new 4A. The only change is everyone in D10 opted to avoid CP and they no longer are matched up with Wood in Hershey. IF they get back to Hershey this year I doubt they beat TEP with what TEP has coming back. So the competition outside of D10 is just fine in 4A. I will agree that i’d rather see them play in 5A but the notion that they’re going to sleepwalk to titles every year in 4A is false.

  194. Phil says:

    Coaches, ADs, media and fans need to pressure the PIAA into doing something, like instituting the Success Factor and implementing some sort of transfer rule. Meanwhile, the PIAA continues to sit on their hands and do nothing. While going to 6 classes was a step in the right direction for PA, transfer rules and the Success Factor would go a long way in leveling the playing field and making more competitive games during the year and especially in the playoffs.

  195. Tully says:

    Tremendous post Jeff. Right on the money.

  196. Jeff says:

    @ Friday Night Fan – I think your allegiance to ECP is clouding your judgment. I saw ECP and PR both play last year and have no ties to either school and IMO if they played it would be a very competitive game, but would give the edge to PR. If you think Mischler is a better QB than Jurkovec you’re delusional…not taking anything away from Mischler as he’s very good and expect him to do well at Miami, but Jurkovec is likely to be playing on Sunday’s in another several years, and there’s no question he’s a better athlete than Mischler.

    Most observers outside of D10 think it’s a joke that ECP plays 4A in the state playoffs, certainly all the fans in Eastern Pa feel that way (read the other boards), I don’t care what schools they play in the regular season, they are without a doubt one of the premier programs in the state and as such should at the very least be playing 5A in the playoffs. Also, the PIAA does not dictate what class a school plays, all they do is set enrollment guidelines and you can’t play BELOW that class, but nothing is stopping them from playing up like other elite programs like Aliquippa, Wood, and Imhotep do.

    Time for the PIAA to implement the success rule that was discussed on this board a few years ago. Since ECP won the last 2 4A titles that would mean they would play 5A the next 2 years, and since Wood won the last 2 5A they would move up to 6A.

    Your argument about ECP not having the depth to compete with the higher classes doesn’t cut it with me, their roster is as big as most of the 5A and 6A schools. Wood has a lower enrollment than ECP yet they play up in 5A, so why doesn’t ECP play up?

    The obvious conclusion is it’s easier to win a state title at 4A than 5A or certainly 6A, so apparently it’s more important to the administration to win a state title than do the right thing and play in the class they should be playing, the fact is ECP would still win titles at a higher classification because they have that good of a program, just not every year.

  197. jack1234 says:

    I think Coatsville has a pretty good argument for that as well, and whoever comes out the WPIAL if it’s a public should be pretty good as well

  198. Mcd65 says:

    PR will be overmatched for sure, but coach K is an incredible strategist and if there is a weakness he will take advantage of it. Yes, a PCL guy rooting for Pr in this one for sure.

  199. SC says:

    state college will be the best public school in 6a football next year. will be interesting to see what the d12 to the western side of the bracket will mean. Doesn’t quite make sense considering the lack of competition d3 in 6a has given since CD won the championship. Unfortunate that a d3 or a d1 will make the championship. Any team coming out of the western side will effectively win now…

  200. Jack1234 says:

    @wpial rules I think realistically the coaches and players both know this is game Isn’t very winnable. It’s to get exposure and experience against top level competition. There’s a chance of ESPNcoming as well. Are they doing it so PR is an attractive place for transfers that want exposure? Your guess is as good as mine

  201. WPIAL Rules says:

    @phillyboy….so this will help PR recruit better athletes? This would want parents to move into the school district? Just because they play IMG? Well, that sounds like a way to recruit, right?

  202. Mike F says:

    Billy,

    Agree 100%, people who hate the Catholic schools need to look at IMG. It really is a fraud to call them a HS team. Literally 100% of their team goes D2 or higher with most starters being D1 P5. The only hope a normal school had against them is that IMG is not gelling while due to conflicts on the team. They were ranked number 2 in the country last year for what that is worth so that is not an issue it seems. Again they are a joke to be called a HS team.

  203. Billy Splain says:

    Philly, I have all the respect for Kasper. He takes his guys against the big boys all the time. Tep and a few others, they are ok but IMG is basically a pre-college team. I just don’t like what they stand for is all. But we’ll be there for that game rooting on the PA team.

  204. phillyboy says:

    philly to Billy: appreciate your opinion on ignoring and refusing to play these all-star type teams on principle and to not dignify it, but rather to starve it so to speak. On the other hand it could raise PR’s profile moreso so as to attract better talent to the program. So it is a little bit of a philosophical quandry.

  205. Mike F says:

    I hope PR does not play IMG. The year to do it was last year not this year. PR is better off playing a Public power from Ohio like Mentor or Canton McKinley, Colerain, etc. i feel they lost too much to play a team like IMG (I hate the idea of IMG for all you Catholic haters you need to look at this outfit) and be competitive. My opinion of course.

  206. WPIAL RULES says:

    @Billy we all know it comes down to PR’s ego! This might be the Year they get knocked down a peg or 2.

  207. Billy Splain says:

    Id rather they beat a public school. The only solution to ending private school teams like that is to refuse to play them . my opinion

  208. WPIAL RULES says:

    IMG vs PR week 0! Would have been a better match last year!

  209. Billy Splain says:

    actually that wasn’t official and has been removed. No contracts signed yet

  210. Jack1234 says:

    Although it’s been somewhat known, it’s been “officially” announced PR will play IMG academy for week 0 next season. Defiantly a year late but good for coach k for getting these types of game, great exposure for western pa.

  211. D10 Fan says:

    I miss the days when they could play though. Would’ve been some nice matchups the past few years.

  212. D10 Fan says:

    Iggys and Eds won’t play ECP anymore because it would hold no value to them since ECP isn’t in PA’s biggest classification. Something with Ohio’s point system for the playoffs, it discourages teams from going out-of-state to play teams in lower classifications. I think only CPs frosh can play Eds/Iggys.

  213. M says:

    McDowell played St.Eds and Austintown Fitch last season. They used to play St. Ignatius, Cardinal Mooney, St.Eds, Austintown Fitch and Mentor all in the same season. Brutal schedule

    http://www.mcdowellfootball.org/varsity

  214. B. Powell says:

    There’s a chance for a schedule upgrade for ECP if they’re willing to play St Ignatius, St Edward, Thomas Aquinas or Cardinal Mooney. I see those teams looking for games this fall.
    McDowell and Erie high should try a few, too and with just a 3-team region, you’d think they could adjust what weeks and fit one in.

  215. jacky1234 says:

    They beat crap 6A teams. Stop talking like mcdowell is even good, they were 5-6. With the D1 athletes ECP has on both sides, they should be beating teams like mcdowell. So if they beat the 6A teams they have to play, why don’t they move up then? Because clearly they have the depth to compete obviously. You seem to be avoiding that question.

  216. Friday night fan says:

    Jack I’m beginning to think your illiterate? McDowell is in CP region. They have to play them! Have you understood anything if said??? CP just had it’s best class Ever come through! Did I loose you yet?? We’re talking about last years team correct? YOU said they should move up in class and quit beating up on 4 A teams did you not?? They are playing 6A teams is the point! PR did not seat PCC any worse than CP did during the regular season. PR and CP were the only teams to beat PCC this year correct? They were not at there usual team agreed, but they still made in to The WPIAL finals. For example Bishop Hoban was in the top ten in the nation on max preps rankings. They had two common opponents with CP. they bot played Benedictine from Ohio. Cp beat them way worse. And they both played West Toronto Prep to about the same out come. So to me the national ranking aren’t that big of an indicator of anything. Meaning the top 100 teams maybe separated by 7 points or so. In the national catholic highschool football rankings Cp finished 3 Rd. Ahead of Bishop Gorman out of Vegas. I really can understand why people think you have to be in a certain class to be the best? I’m saying they don’t have the numbers to compete moving up most years. The last two years they could have talent wise yes, but loosing 2 D1 receiver/D backs and the lack of depth in back ups would have been magnified. Jack try to do some reading other than the Tribe review. I’m not the dense narrow minded one here.

  217. Jack1234 says:

    *most dense

  218. Jack1234 says:

    Friday night fans you are one of the densists mofo’s I’ve talked to. Lol. yes erie mcdowell was a JOKE last season. Your bragging about beating a 5-6 team? Maybe I didn’t mention maybe beat good 6A teams? PCC was nothing special last year once again. So if the problem is not having the same enrollment numbers as the other big 6A schools and not having the depth to compete with these teams, then why in the hell are you suggesting that ECP would’ve beaten the top 6A and 5A teams as well last season? Literally every posts you have made has been hypocritical as hell lmao

  219. Friday night fan says:

    Maybe Wood moved up to get away from Imhotep in there districts? Imhotep beat Wood in districts 2015 if I’m not mistaken. And CP beat them in the state final 2012. So may be Wood doesn’t want to play them in the play offs? I’m pretty sure coaches ( some) have conversations wear not privy to. Like you said no one can predict out comes that’s why they play the games! Imhotep and Wood move up by choice, and Cp doesn’t by choice! I don’t really think they give a crap what guys on some forum are saying. All the team being brought up are 1 st class programs with great coaches! I’m not disrespecting any team. At least in the FBS they have closure with the playoff. They know who 1-4 are.

  220. Mcd65 says:

    Friday night fan, Both Wood and Imhotep moved up a class beyond their enrollment classification. Why does CP continue not to move up ? I’m curious .BTW there is no way anyone can predict a games outcome if its not played. I can say Wood would beat CP , just as you believe the opposite. Take a look at who Wood played last year.Im sure you don’t look at those things outside of Erie. Pine Richlane was the best in Pa. last year IMO. Sauseman,I like your Jr.East/West idea.

  221. Friday night fan says:

    You have to realize CP lost two D1 D backs/ receivers mid season. There’s no way wood or SJP were better than CP.
    I think the top 4 were PR/ CP 1 or 2 respectfully then wood and SJP in 4 th place. CP takes the starters out in the third Quarter most game. I’m sure they would have beat a lot of teams badly, but the coach has class! And it hurts the national rankings that’s the trade off I guess.
    Jack LMFAO – you said CP should be playing 6 A teams? They do was my point jeryoff! They only played like 2 4A teams before the playoffs. They were forced to play region games.Who knows when you do scheduling in the spring what a team will be like next fall? Tell James Conner from Pitt/ Steelers that his h.s. Team McDowell is a joke big guy! Week one McDowell was beating Cleveland ST. Eds at half time, and they’re always ranked high nationally. The Wayne team PR played week 0 was obviously in a rebuilding year also. PCC was a lot better than Wayne. The problem with CP moving up to 6 A say in the playoffs would be they only have 130-140 boys per class. To play schools that have 300+ boys per class. It would be a depth issue. This 2018 class at CP was the best class football wise to come through the program according to the AD of CP. There will be a talent drop this year I think. Imhotep will be very tough this year!

  222. jacky1234 says:

    @b powell this past PR team had a bunch of other underrated guys as well, Jason defrancisis luke meckler mike katic luke meckler Anthony Cerminara etc. I just don’t believe that anyone in the state could beat them last season. I think the top 4 in the state were PR, SJP, Wood, and ECP.

    @phil you actually can if you have ncaa 14, you can create your own rosters, customize uniforms etc. You can also play in high school stadiums in the game I believe. I also have heard of people making wpial rosters to download.

  223. phillyboy says:

    I understand this ECP team was very talented, very good but when push comes to shove PR would have taken them. I absolutely think St. Joe’s Prep would have beaten ECP, as well as Wood. My suspicion was that PR was the best after seeing how they were unstoppable against a highly regarded Wayne, OH team. My suspicion became a certainty after seeing how PR decked Saint Joe’s Prep in crunch time, that was a HUGE win. Believe me, SJP is a very tough out. I would rank last year’s ECP at #4 in the state after PR, SJP, and Wood. Erie Prep had a few decent wins, but you can’t play in the minor leagues and crow about being the best. Very rarely is the state champ in a lower classification the overall best in state. One notable exception IMO was 2011; that Wood team was off the hook at the end of the year.

  224. B. Powell says:

    May I also add, there is “life” in Erie, PA football again. Prep has it going ON and the McDowell vs Erie playoff game this year was epic. I listened to it on the radio and my eyes started to well up with happiness for those Erie High kids. For many of them it was the 1st thing of value they had won in their lives and the reformation of Erie High was done so quickly and came off as good as it could have happened.
    Add Mercyhurst Prep in the mix and Erie area has some fine athletes. D10 does pretty well in playoffs considering the city and rural demographic mix.

  225. Phil says:

    @ Mike F
    Thanks for the info regarding the Aliquippa situation. Sources have echoed the same as you stated plus one other factor that does not warrant discussion unless proven to be true.

    If I may, I’d like to jump into the PR vs. ECP debate. Whether you are a PR fan, an ECP fan or just a high school football fan especially from western Pa., it is good to see great football being played here in the west.

    Jurkovec is probably the best HS QB I’ve ever seen, Mischler makes the top ten though. Bauer is definitely one of he better LBs I’ve seen. Roberts and Scruggs are great, while Kristofic and Crawford and Falcone are fantastic. And on and on it goes. Bottom line is both teams were loaded and I was blessed to see them both play at least 3 times the past couple years. Oh, by the way, you couldn’t ask for two better coaches who are easily accessible, very knowledgeable, and genuinely good guys. No predictions by me, but if someone came up with a high school version of Madden’s Game Day with these two teams on it, I’d play in an instant!!

  226. Tully says:

    CP does play impressive non-conference schedule. Make me wonder why they are satisfied being in a watered down 4a despite the largest enrollment in that class. Couldnt be trophy hunting could it? Why not play Wood for that honor? Or better yet why dont both play at their weight in 6a where the caliber of their programs belong?

    What happened in Aliquippa a complete shame. Hearing pushed flr the normal politics and parent vendettas. The losers in it are the kids. Coach was a class act throughout.

  227. Jack1234 says:

    Yeah Erie high school and 5-6 Erie Mcdowell. Real powerhouses LMFAO. And PCC was weak last year as well. The school from michigan is ranked 112 by maxpreps, PR beat SJP that was a top 25 team at the time. Also imhotep was without their best player, and they truly weren’t anything special last year. PR has a better resume that is facts. Also coming from someone likely from erie that’s some thin ice your on making comments like “must be a burg thing” Lol

  228. Mike F says:

    Phil,

    When i heard he was axed I thought there was a PSU/MSU situation. At the very least I was expecting he got to physical with a player. When I found out it was just school board politics, it made me sick to my stomach. I have no clue who they think they are going to get better on the field or off.

    No coach is going to be able to change the environment there. It is in the bottom 10% for education in this state and there are tons of drugs and no jobs in that community. The boards “reasons” are a joke.

  229. Mike F says:

    Steve O’Neil,

    The reasons are very valid: Heavy Sarcasm

    1) He didn’t help with recruiting as an example the one school board members kid was not pushed enough in the late 90’s

    2) He is not doing enough for former players hanging on the street corner.

    3) They only won 1 state title with him

  230. Phil says:

    What’s up with Aliquippa’s coach getting the axe. Never heard anything bad about Coach Zmijanac. Wasn’t losing something like 36 games in over 20 years good enough for a few board members. Or is there something behind the scenes we don’t know about? Hopefully that behind the scenes thing isn’t some people in power with an axe to grind.

  231. phillyboy says:

    According to the ‘project a matchup’ feature at calpreps.com: [2017] PR 42 – ECP 28.

  232. Friday night fan says:

    Your whole post tells me you know very little about CP. Their first 3 games in 17 were against 6A teams all ranked in the top 5 in western PA. Look at the scores.Then they went to Detroit and played the 2017 Michigan state champs an Michigan second largest classification. And Canisus out of Buffalo is always a state contender for the regular season finale. Cp usually has the starters out mid way through the 3 Rd quarter, and that’s when they give up some points also.Anyone who thinks you have to play 6A to be the best is dead wrong. The PIAA decides what class we’re in, and you think Berks Catholic and Imhotep are week team? Nobody said the 7 on 7 was a real game. But when people make comments like PR is the best in the state no debate? I disagree that’s all! And Jack- your point Is invalid! Must be a burg thing?

  233. steven o'neil says:

    Anybody have any info on what the reason is behind the school board getting rid of the quips head coach? I was completely shocked to read that.

  234. Mike F says:

    Wow Mike Zmijanac is voted out as Head Coach at Aliquippa. Pittsburgh media is attacking the School Board.

  235. jacky1234 says:

    Except 7on7 isn’t an actual game, so yes it doesn’t count for anything. All it does for PR is practice their formations and plays etc. Take a look at who ECP played and who SJP played, SJP played better compeition and they gave up less points statistically then ECP did not playing as hard of teams. Your argument is invalid, if ECP wants to be considered the number 1 team they should move up a class or two and stop beating up on weak teams in 4A

  236. garyz says:

    Jurk and the kid from ECP were both great QB’s, no doubt! However if you truly think the kid from ECP was better than Jurk because of a 7on7, or height, well your wrong! Look at every nationwide ranking, scholarship offers and tell me what everyone missed? Was it that 7on7 that has been referenced? Is it his height? Because if Mischler was the 2nd coming of Marino, the height difference means nothing in today’s game. So what is it you know, that all recruiting services and College Coaches do not? The 7on7, 36-6 Football In shorts! I AM NOT A PR FAN, just someone who respects and knows the game!

  237. garyz says:

    Anyone who uses 7 on 7 as a unit of measure or comparison, tells me all I need to know about their understanding of the game!! The whole 7 on 7 thing is so overrated that it is starting to lose some luster as a team function. However the kids who play for travel teams (comprised of kids from various schools) is still growing! That is because it’s a showcase for skill players and an informal recruiting tool. As a Coach, I like doing a few here and there, but so much more can be gained from repetition of the actual Offense and Defense you will run during the season! As an OC, I want my kids to know are Base runs and play actions VS every scenario possible. Not lining up in 5 Wide, which we may do 10-12 times a year, or playing exotic coverages that we most likely will never run on Defense!

  238. Friday night fan says:

    Well Jack , I guess it’s only nonsense if your the ones scratching at the end of the game. If the players don’t take the game-seriously it doesn’t count? Your not a TJ coach are you? I guess it’s all we have to go by as it’s the only time they met this season. And th PCC game.I said I’d take Mischler I didn’t mean he’s better.other than his deep balls In my opinion. It doesn’t really matter what we say we’ll never know. But I do agree it would have been a high scoring affair. I agree neither defense would have done much to slow the other down. I think it would have come down to field position, and turnovers. I see a score of like 42-35 type game. With CP on top of course! I don’t agree with the St. Joes defense being better than CP either. CP would have beat SJP just as bad as PR did.

  239. Jack1234 says:

    Enough with the 7on7 nonsense. It’s a joke. Most kids I know that aren’t on those travel teams don’t even take it serious. It’s way different covering a receiver or running routes in pads vs in shorts and tshirts. Also he’s faced plenty of secondaries and defenses with more D1 guys than ECP had on defense this year. Look at what he did to PCC in 2015 and 16. Mutliple D1 guys all across those defenses. Also saying mischler is better than jurkovec is a truly asinine statement, the mischler kids a player but he’s absolutely nowhere near jurkovec. All you have to do is compare film, mischler isn’t making anything close to some of the plays jurkovec made this past year.

    PR wasn’t a one horse show at all, they were loaded with other guys and a very underrated defense. SJP had a better defense than ECP and look at how PR scored on them. You’re argument is disprovable.

  240. me888 says:

    me’ll take PR by about 6 over CP. Neither defense would keep the other team under 20 to 24 points; and me’ll take PR’s offense over CP’s. me saw them both 4 times each, and none of the games were vs the patsies.

    Jurkovec is an all around better athlete than Mischler. He has a better/stronger arm (and is at least as accurate as Misch). He was a better runner also. Much more elusive. Mischler may have been a better field general, but not by much, if at all.

    JMO, as always!

  241. Friday night fan says:

    Spoken like a true PR fan LoL ! He sure wasn’t all that throwing the ball in the 7 on 7 vs CP. I don’t think he was use to throwing against a secondary with 3 D-1 D backs.I think CP had WAY more weapons on offense than PR. All CP would have to do would be shadow Phil with Matt Bauer to keep his scramble game in check. I’ll take Mischler any day over Phil, joe has better accuracy on long ball. PR didn’t face anyone close to CP this year including St. Joes. I think PR was a one horse show, and CP had a more balanced team. They both had great years, but CP would be more than PR could handle!

  242. jacky1234 says:

    PR was the best team in the state last year and there is no debate. The way they beat SJP in the title game solidifies this. Jurkovec is a generational player and he’s good enough to beat teams by himself.

  243. Friday night fan says:

    Phillyboy-
    I don’t know how you can say PR would have beat CP? The common opponent was PCC and they both won by about the same score over PCC. I know it wasn’t a real game but CP beat PR in 7 on 7 36-6. I think that showed CP had the edge in the skilled positions. PR couldn’t cover the CP receivers period. I think CP O Line was better than PRs was. I guess we’ll never know, but would have loved to seen it! I think it would have come down to Phils legs against CP ground game.
    I don’t agree with the selling out comment? If the students attend the private school as a freshman. I don’t care for the wagon jumpers either I guess.

  244. B. Powell says:

    Good discussion.
    Just remember, too, it’s not all slam dunk approved up here, either. Mercyhurst Prep had a couple kids approved from one nearby school last fall 2017 and 2 other kids from another school with -higher academics than Mercyhurst- were not approved.
    All because the 1st school didn’t contest the transfers and the other school did.
    Seems like they are at least trying to find solutions.

  245. phillyboy says:

    @ B. Powell

    This notion that kids transfer to an elite private program in order to ‘enhance future opportunities at the next level’ is the biggest crock on planet Earth. College is big time overrated anyway but that’s a whole other topic of discussion. It’s all about taking the easy way out and kissing the behind of the big dog in order to have the privilege to be a part of it — as opposed to having some loyalty and playing for your home team. Yes, winning state championships is really cool, but not at the expense of becoming a sell-out. It’s a symptom of what Governor Rendell called ‘the wussification of America’. And btw, PR would have kicked Erie Prep’s butox last year.

  246. me888 says:

    “B. Powell says:
    February 15th, 2018 at 10:19 am
    I believe Seneca’s coach resigned last fall and this transfer was seen as quite a step up for both boys as far as future opportunity at the next level. ECP has shown it can certainly help with that and also provide and upgraded academic curriculum.
    The McDowell to ECP transfers are public to private school, Erie, PA – Erie, PA, as there is no Millcreek, PA.
    That’s the very core and theme of a private school – as an alternative education.”

    McDowell is not in the City of Erie. It is in Millcreek Township which does in fact have it’s own government and school system.

    Prep should never permit anyone to obtain a CP diploma by spending only 1 (or 1 and 1/2) years in the building. It devalues the diploma for all current, former, and future students; not to mention that it’s a really bad look and public relations move. The public schools here will be even more infuriated.

    JMO, as always!

  247. B. Powell says:

    I believe Seneca’s coach resigned last fall and this transfer was seen as quite a step up for both boys as far as future opportunity at the next level. ECP has shown it can certainly help with that and also provide and upgraded academic curriculum.
    The McDowell to ECP transfers are public to private school, Erie, PA – Erie, PA, as there is no Millcreek, PA.
    That’s the very core and theme of a private school – as an alternative education.

  248. Billy Splain says:

    Saussman, they are still working on different rules to curb the problem of transfers but hitting giant walls called district chairman that don’t want to hear about it. Many are from “transfer” schools.

  249. sausmann9 says:

    And yet Prep doesn’t want to move up, WTF is the PIAA doing if not fixing the issues???

  250. M says:

    Weird, I have been trying to share the below article here for several days.

  251. B. Powell says:

    Cathedral Prep gets ok on (4) more players.
    Two transfers from McDowell, two from Seneca now cleared to compete in sports at Prep
    ————————————————————————————————————-
    EDINBORO — District 10 ruled Tuesday, 2/6/2018 that four student-athletes who recently transferred to Cathedral Preparatory School are eligible to participate in athletics at the school.
    The D-10 Committee conducted four separate eligibility hearings at the Northwest Tri County Intermediate Unit 5 on Tuesday.
    Regan Schleicher, who previously attended McDowell High School, was ruled eligible after the first hearing. After Schleicher’s ruling, McDowell officials withdrew their challenge to a second transfer from McDowell, Shelby Wiley. As a result, Wiley became eligible to play sports at Prep.
    Seneca High School challenged the transfers of Joey Scarabino and Tre Thrower in the next two hearings. However, District 10 ruled both eligible to compete for Prep.
    All four athletes are juniors who played for their respective football teams this past fall, while Scarabino and Schleicher also played baseball in the past. All four players were football all-region selections, while Scarabino is the all-time passer in Seneca history, and Schleicher was the starting quarterback at McDowell and all-region selection for the baseball team. Thrower and Wiley were voted to the all-region first team at defensive back.
    Bill Flanagan, the athletic director at Prep, is the District 10 Secretary and Erie City representative on the D-10 Committee, but he recused himself from the four hearings as a D-10 Committee member and was present as a Prep administrator. He was not present for the committee’s deliberations.
    Pete Iacino, the District 10 chairman and private schools representative on the D-10 Committee, also recused himself, leaving no private school connections on the committee for the four eligibility hearings.
    The committee unanimously approved Schleicher 9-0, while Scarabino was approved 8-1 and Thrower 7-2. There was no vote on Wiley after McDowell withdrew its objection.

  252. Xavier says:

    When you bring in 30 kids with half of them being out of state, how many do you think will still be there in a year? Slippery Rock and Clarion are bring in half a new team each.

  253. Jack1234 says:

    http://www.wpial.org/general/stuff/foot/18-19%20ftb%20grids.pdf WPIAL schedules released today. 6A now is only one conference.

  254. Southern D10 says:

    @Xavier. I never understood why he never got any big college offers. He certainly had the talent and stats to warrant them. Unfortunately this came out this morning.
    http://wkbn.com/2018/01/29/sharon-football-standout-charged-after-fight-involving-knives/

  255. Mike F says:

    Xavier,

    Don’t know/never seen this Strickland kid, but I do know this about recruiting. It is a crap shoot. This is not wrestling where a kid can say I was 92-14 and placed in states and beat this person, that person, etc and have it mean something. Therefore they are recruited accordingly based off their accomplishments on the mat not their potential.

    Football recruiting is a funny business an the exact opposite. You have guys look great at these camps in shorts and get destroyed on the field be rated in the top 3 at their positions (Sterling Jenkens) in the country. Yet the kids who destroyed that player be d3 players. Basically football coaches look at potential more than ability.

    I can’t tell you how many times I seen LBs be 4 star recruits with offers from everybody. They are 6-2 220lb and 4.6 forty,yet they never make tackles because they are cowards who take bad angles and have no football instincts. Then the 5′ 7″ 150lb 4.8 forty safety behind that 4 star LB take great angles, have good football instincts, and isn’t afraid to take or give a hit and they are choosing between Grove City, St. Vincent, Theil, etc.

    QB recruiting is the same way. I remember Paul Jones from Sto-Rox being a 5 star. he looked the part with height and weight (don’t remember exact measurements but he had them) and he could throw the ball a mile. The problem, no football instincts and wasn’t accurate at all. Most HS coaches would kill for a 5 star QB I remember watching Sto-Rox play Keystone Oaks and Jones coming out of the game so Sto-Rox could go to wildcat. That should tell you everything about how good he was. Yet he went to PSU as a 5 Star QB and offers from everyone.

    Basically don’t worry about recruiting, try and find the best academic/football balance where the kid fits. It will work out better for the kid then chasing the dream.

  256. Xavier says:

    Who knows anything about the Strickland kid from Sharon, multiple-time All-State receiver, 0 college offers.

  257. Billy Splain says:

    Jack, it doesn’t matter. when you have only 13 6A and around 24-25 5A teams, it is what it is. My only question is why didnt they leave 11 12 in east and put the D3 teams in the west. would have been the same. Some using blame 6 classes, but if it were four those other teams still wouldn’t have a chance.

  258. Jack1234 says:

    Some very good 5A and 6A western teams may not be able to at least make it to hershey with this new alignment now

  259. Billy Splain says:

    the wpial can’t pull out of the piaa.

  260. WPIAL RULES says:

    http://tribhssn.triblive.com/piaa-puts-philadelphia-football-powers-in-wpial-champions-paths-to-hershey/

    What a joke. It’s time for the WPIAL to pull out of the PIAA. What is the purpose of having an eastern and western champion? Why not just rank the top 16 or 32 teams in the state in each conferance and go from there?

  261. ECL/Metro FAN says:

    I’ll just say McDowell wont have a returning started at QB.

  262. peabody says:

    what kid is that. Haven’t heard anything but Scarabino, but more interested in him as LB

  263. ECL/Metro FAN says:

    Looks like Erie Prep has found themselves someone else to compete for the QB job against Scarabino.

  264. M says:

    Thanks Billy

  265. Billy Splain says:

    sorry bout that

  266. M says:

    I don’t see the link to the forunm on the homepage any longer. I had to do a web search to find this today. Didn’t know if I was alone.

  267. Billy Splain says:

    email me, billy@westernpafootball.net…let me know what you need

  268. Gary Kinsey says:

    Was trying to find somewhere to find a list of past PA. high school football all state teams, or at least players from district 6, please reply with any help

  269. Billy Splain says:

    There’s some good pa talent there this year from PA. The last hurrah for hs football of the 2017 season.

  270. sausmann9 says:

    Happy New Year everyone!!! Hey all, remember Thursday is the Under Armour All Star game at 1pm and then on Saturday at 1pm is the US Army All Star game. Enjoy and good luck to our PA players!!!!

  271. David Mika says:

    Happy New Year!